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11/11/2005 08:22:48 PM · #1 |
I am just curious what your workflow looks like for events when you take a ton of pictures.
For example, say you take 400 photos for a wedding. What is your process for showing the pictures to the customer and ordering prints? Does that differ from a typical photo shoot?
It seems like I spend so much time editing the photos. This last shoot, two of the teenagers had some acne so I have touched the photos up quite a bit. Maybe I should stop being such a perfectionist...LOL
Jenn
Message edited by author 2005-11-11 20:23:28.
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11/11/2005 08:42:41 PM · #2 |
| I've only done one wedding (was close to 300 shots for the ceremony, they didn't have a reception), but for that I went through and sorted out the best shots into a separate folder. I then touched up those that needed it within that folder. That folder then got published to my website. It didn't take much time, but everything looked good since the lesser shots were filed separately. |
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11/11/2005 09:31:52 PM · #3 |
| The wedding I did last week I took nearly 600 shots for. The most time consuming is sorting out which to keep and which not to. I cut it down to 360 in the end though I usually try for about 300. I use Rawshooter Essentials so basically I delete the RAW files I don't want with that. It's fairly easy. Much quicker than using Canon's File Viewer Utility. I don't tend to make a lot of changes with my proofs, unless it's something obvious which is too distracting. I tend to use PSP to print out my proofs because I like the multiple print layout options and print my proofs 2.5" x 3.5" (9 photos per standard A4 page). This does take time but they do look good and I tend to throw a few 5" x 7" prints in the proof album of photos that have been 'dolled up' to impress and see what can be done if they wish. |
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11/11/2005 09:43:33 PM · #4 |
Originally posted by Makka:
This does take time but they do look good and I tend to throw a few 5" x 7" prints in the proof album of photos that have been 'dolled up' to impress and see what can be done if they wish. |
I think that is my problem.....I tend to doll up all my favorite shots which is very time consuming. LOL |
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11/11/2005 10:27:47 PM · #5 |
I haven't done too many large photo shoots per se, but I regularly go out an shoot over 150+ pictures.
I use Picasa2 in conjunction with PS. I go to picasa, find and "star" the photos that I like fiddle with the simple adjustments just to see a bit, and then edit them in PS. I save the working photos to another directory or sub-directory in psd's. You can set picasa to show only starred photos go to that directory and export them as copies to work with in another folder if you want.
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11/11/2005 10:54:52 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by JRalston:
Originally posted by Makka:
This does take time but they do look good and I tend to throw a few 5" x 7" prints in the proof album of photos that have been 'dolled up' to impress and see what can be done if they wish. |
I think that is my problem.....I tend to doll up all my favorite shots which is very time consuming. LOL |
I don't worry about too much processing on the proofs! They are there to give an idea but are pretty much as they were on the day! It's only the ones that I enlarge that I tend to give the 'magic touch' to so they can see what is possible! Some glamour look and soft look, black & white, sepia etc. It's just really to show them some options that are available! I charge extra for processing photos for them! |
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11/11/2005 11:06:00 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by Makka:
I don't worry about too much processing on the proofs! They are there to give an idea but are pretty much as they were on the day! It's only the ones that I enlarge that I tend to give the 'magic touch' to so they can see what is possible! Some glamour look and soft look, black & white, sepia etc. It's just really to show them some options that are available! I charge extra for processing photos for them! |
Again, most of those options are available for quick n' dirty edits in Picasa2. It's fast, easy, and free. I had some proofs for portraits turned around in a day using Picasa instead of PS. You can always go back and do the real work that will stand up to 8x10 scrutiny for later on the stuff you'll get paid for.
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11/11/2005 11:49:22 PM · #8 |
I've done two weddings. The PP on the first one taught me real quick i needed to find another way!
Some shots are RAW, some JPG, so i dump a copy into a directory. open that directory in Canon's DPP. YOu can mark pics there and do the RAW adjustments, even some on JPGs if you want. When I am done, i then 'convert' them (all to JPG) and save them in another directory named sequentially (as in JONES_1, JONES_2, etc). DPP does this automatically.
If i want 4x6 prints, i'm done. However, I am never done. I want to show some as b&w or selectively colorized. I did this on my first wedding and with printed proofs ina proof book I had about $70 tied up.
For the second wedding I did a MyPublisher book. I took the sequential files and opened them in PS, did a few tweaks (cropping, coloring, that sort of thing.) I also deleted any dupes by picking the absolute best of the best. All these keepers were then saved in yet another directory, in pretty much chronological order.
I then used the mypublisher software to make a 12x8 hardcover book, 40 pages, linen cover - $70. But now i have something much fancier to show, harder to copy, and it works for proofs. I don't want to have to go back and make an album later form the proofs they picked. I want a one-stop job, so to speak. I can make prints of specific shots at any time for them if they want lets say a formal shot done up 10x13, etc.
This method seemed to streamline the process tremendously for me and them.
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11/12/2005 02:10:39 AM · #9 |
Originally posted by Prof_Fate:
I've done two weddings. The PP on the first one taught me real quick i needed to find another way! |
You hit the nail on the head there! I've now done a few weddings and when you first start you tend to spend hours trying to organise them all...but with the more you do you do tend to streamline it and work out the best and quickest way of producing what you want! |
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11/12/2005 02:29:56 AM · #10 |
this past week i have had 4 separate shoots on, all different kinds, i have over 2500 photos , maybe more, to go through and edit, out of the four shoots, three are for photo books, i havn't been to bed before 4 am each night ( well morning). I don't care how long i spent on each photo, as long as i can give that book to them and feel totally comfortable on how perfect it is. To me, this is advertising, and i couldn't possibly give them proofs of anything less then perfect to view....most are all artistically edited, very rare are they 'normal' shots.. i like to know my clients are getting 'something' different for thier money, compared to the man down the road......
don't ever think your being too fussy, it's the best way to be. If your not a 100% happy with the shots, neither will they be.....
Message edited by author 2005-11-12 02:32:24.
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11/12/2005 02:45:49 AM · #11 |
| make photoshop actions your best friend. obviously some photos will need specific editing, but i would run em all through the same action (batch style = cook yourself a burger while your photos edit themselves!), then usually you have a few the action didnt do any favors to...fix those up then do your farsty edits and your good to go. |
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11/12/2005 08:06:25 AM · #12 |
Originally posted by Makka:
Originally posted by Prof_Fate:
I've done two weddings. The PP on the first one taught me real quick i needed to find another way! |
You hit the nail on the head there! I've now done a few weddings and when you first start you tend to spend hours trying to organise them all...but with the more you do you do tend to streamline it and work out the best and quickest way of producing what you want! |
Yeah! I spent 12 hours or something on the first one, and then in forums read posts where phtogs spent less than an hour on even more images than i took! there is something to be said for getting the shot right at the time of exposure. Sure, you can fix it later, as in WB or exposure issues, but you don't have time to do it. Even at 2 minutes an image 300 images turns into 10 hours of PP work! You cut 30 seconds off that on average and you get 2.5 hours to go do something else!
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11/12/2005 09:45:22 AM · #13 |
Thank you all. I am spending MANY hours in front of the computer editing images and it gets old...LOL Sounds like I need to stop being such a perfectionist or I am going to get burned out quickly!
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11/12/2005 11:39:44 AM · #14 |
I went to a two day workshop that included JVS as one of the instructors. He sorts his images to remove what should not be seen and then he uses Canon DPP to adjust white balance and levels for every image before printing 4x6 proofs. Cropping and photoshops adjustments are done after he works with the client to select the final images. So white balance and levels before the client sees the images and futher adjustments after the client confirms they will be using the image.
Message edited by author 2005-11-14 09:18:45.
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