Destroy Alaskan Refuge for 6 mos. oil supply

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11/04/2005 06:15:18 AM · #1

This is just sickening:

//www.leadingthecharge.com/stories/news-0094938.html
//www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2005/11/03/arcticoil-051103.html
//www.cbc.ca/news/background/oil/anwar.html
//www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/11/04/anwr.drilling.ap/index.html

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cbonsall

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11/04/2005 06:25:09 AM · #2

but how am I suppossed to run my 6mpg hummer? You hippies are so selfish, why should I have to suffer just so you can save some fluffy seals and stuff????

:-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)

Kavey

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11/04/2005 06:25:57 AM · #3

Yes it is, especially given that it's not going to solve the fuel shortage to any significant degree.

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11/04/2005 07:28:03 AM · #4

If this was in one of the National Refuges or Parks in the heartland, the Bill wouldn't even see the light of day. Just another example of Republican arrogance - nobody or nothing else matters. Nobody can tell me Big Oil isn't running (Republican) America. George W. Bush and Dick Cheney are nothing but puppets.

hyperfocal

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11/04/2005 08:30:44 AM · #5

96% of the world's oil deposits lie outside the United States. This will not only screw up one of the last remaining virgin natural areas in the world, but its effect on gas prices and reserves will be unreconizable to the consumer. Where as if the administration had supported stricter MPG standards for the auto industry it could have resulted in a 7% reduction in foreign oil dependence over the next decade.

I guess thats what happens when the selfish GOP put that son-of-a-bitch war mongering oil man in the white house.

barndog

Canon EOS-6D Mark II

11/04/2005 08:41:02 AM · #6

This is interesting:

Exxon Mobil last week posted the highest second-quarter profit in its 123-year existence and had the most revenue on record for any public company.

From: //www.detnews.com/2005/business/0508/05/C03-270206.htm

Also, there is a new Exxon CEO on the horizon:

Think he cares about fluffy white seals?

PhotoRyno

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11/04/2005 08:51:52 AM · #7

Again it is always someone else that has to take action to create or solve problems when someone is complaining. They themselves never contribute to the problem or solution. It is the consumption of fuel that has us drilling where ever to supply the consumption.

It is not the oil companies or the administration burning all that fuel; it is you, I and everyone driving a car, heating their homes or cutting their grass.

Why do I never hear anyone complain about the consumer? Oh yea I do the people that drive the hummers. Well, if you do not drive a hummer, care to guess the mpg on your lawnmower, did you pay extra for energy efficient light bulbs, have you taken every step necessary to reduce your consumption to a minimum?

The solution is one consumer at a time. When did you start?

Kavey

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11/04/2005 09:14:09 AM · #8

You're jumping to a lot of conclusions there, Mr Privat.

Can't speak for anyone else but in our house:-
* we pay more than we need to for electricity in order to buy from a provider that only supplies electricity generated by 100% renewable means
* we recycle as much domestically as we can even if it's not something that the council currently collect
* we support environmental charities including ones that work to save the rainforest, campaign for the environment and fund wildlife and environmental conservation problems worldwide
* we do drive a large car, so that we can car share with friends on group holidays in the UK and overseas but we do only have one car in our household - we use public transport a lot and we don't use the car for short local journeys unless we can't carry stuff
* we have a non-electric lawnmower
* we water the garden only to water any vegetables we're growing for our table, not the lawn or flower beds
* we have a modern compost "green cone" into which we put not only vegetable waste but most food waste from the kitchen, meat included as well as a regular compose pile for garden waste
* we have energy efficient lightbulbs in our home

Don't get me wrong, we could do a whole heck of a lot better but, in answer to your accusation, not everyone throwing stones here is living in a glass house. Many people do contribute as much as they can and yet their efforts pale nearly into insignificance next to actions such as the one under discussion.

hyperfocal

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11/04/2005 09:33:57 AM · #9

Originally posted by PhotoRyno:

There are a lot more people, like me, who are doing more than you think. I use a push lawnmower (although I'm building a rechargeable electric that will use solar to charge). I ride my bike for most errands. I ride my bike to work in the summer months (unfortunately I must drive during the school year to pick up kids after work). I plan to build an electric car as soon as my Hyundaiâ��s are paid off. I keep my thermostat @ 63 degrees F in the winter, although my wife & I have committed to not turning on the heat until the outside temperature drops below freezing. We carry our own reusable bags and do not take plastic bags (petroleum based) when we shop. I haven't owned an incandescent light bulb in years.

I totally agree that the primary problem is American's average selfishness, but I feel that the current administration could take steps away from this decadence. Instead they have embraced this decadence. Here is an excerpt from a press conference on May 7th, 2001 that clearly shows his (Bushâ��s) view on the subject...

Q Is one of the problems with this, and the entire energy field, American lifestyles? Does the President believe that, given the amount of energy Americans consume per capita, how much it exceeds any other citizen in any other country in the world, does the President believe we need to correct our lifestyles to address the energy problem?

MR. FLEISCHER: That's a big no. The President believes that it's an American way of life, and that it should be the goal of policy makers to protect the American way of life. The American way of life is a blessed one. And we have a bounty of resources in this country. What we need to do is make certain that we're able to get those resources in an efficient way, in a way that also emphasizes protecting the environment and conservation, into the hands of consumers so they can make the choices that they want to make as they live their lives day to day.

Q So Americans should go on consuming as much more energy than any other citizens in any other countries of the world, as long as they want?

MR. FLEISCHER: Terry, the President believes that the American people are very wise and that, given the right incentives, they will know how and they will make their own right determinations about how much they can conserve, just as the President announced last week that the federal government, as part of its consumership in California will reduce energy needs -- for example, the Department of Defense facilities in California, by 10 percent. He believes the American people, too, will make the right decisions about conservation and the program he will announce shortly will also include a series of conservation items.

But the President also believes that the American people's use of energy is a reflection of the strength of our economy, of the way of life that the American people have come to enjoy. And he wants to make certain that a national energy policy is comprehensive, that includes conservation, includes a way of allowing the American people to continue to enjoy the way of life that has made the United States such a leading nation in the world.

The whole press conference is a good read incuding the president's goal to get his oily hands on the ANWR. Find it on the White House's Website here.

11/04/2005 10:32:08 AM · #10

I think MR. FLEISCHER's answers are akin to liquor producers taking out "Don't Drink and Drive" PSA's in magazines. Nothing more than lip service.

Oh, and for the record, I started this thread and I'm guilty of not doing enough to conserve and I intend to change my ways (seriously). I don't think this takes any blame away from the Republican administration in the meantime. We only have to look to Kyoto to see what the administration thinks of the environment.

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