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 11/02/2005 11:13:07 AM · #26
Originally posted by wavelength:
I think all of our lessons from this should be: Light on white, is hard to get right.


Light on white,
Is hard to get right.
It's as plain as day,
That white isn't grey.

Yea, this one was much tougher than I thought - as one of my comments said 'Light on grey'... I had real problems in PS making the background really white, as I kept losing contrast on the subject.
 11/02/2005 11:13:13 AM · #27



Ah to be creative and a DPCer...
 11/02/2005 11:17:05 AM · #28
Originally posted by Ennil:

Ah to be creative and a DPCer...


Uh, that coming from you is refreshing ;oD
 11/02/2005 11:19:28 AM · #29
173 place, 202nd place

I had both in my top twenty.

Bcoble, the issue with your submission was a fairly common one, any household nicknack, especially cute spencer gift type statuette, is going to score poorly no matter how perfectly lit and shot, unless it is taken to the point of abstract. I know I have a viceral reaction to the cute, and alot of people mark down any shot that is primarily a representation of the work of others (i.e. the sculptor who made that cute lil' thing) oddly if you shoot a shoe or a blender the restriction dosen't apply. Just thought I would try to give my opinion as to why the voting went the way it did.
 11/02/2005 11:26:06 AM · #30
Originally posted by wavelength:
Originally posted by Ennil:

Ah to be creative and a DPCer...


Uh, that coming from you is refreshing ;oD

I demand an explanation.
 11/02/2005 11:26:27 AM · #31

that was one of my favorites
 11/02/2005 11:29:35 AM · #32
My understanding you cannot see white, however all shades of white we see have other colors in them. So white could and is a multitude of different shades. I will remmember next time the white needs to match the white used in this web site as the background color.
 11/02/2005 11:31:56 AM · #33
Originally posted by jhonan:
Originally posted by wavelength:
I think all of our lessons from this should be: Light on white, is hard to get right.


Light on white,
Is hard to get right.
It's as plain as day,
That white isn't grey.

Yea, this one was much tougher than I thought - as one of my comments said 'Light on grey'... I had real problems in PS making the background really white, as I kept losing contrast on the subject.


I agree and guess what? Mine was white on gray..I couldnt get the background white without the bird being to bright or not beable to see the bird. Make sense..I guess I should have gone with a darker object. hehehe
 11/02/2005 11:39:08 AM · #34
Originally posted by Ennil:

I demand an explanation.


Meaning, I thought of you as one of the creative ones already. :P
 11/02/2005 11:57:45 AM · #35
Here were my high scores that I gave out that were not in the top 20.



I love the stark beauty and minimalism of these shots. Bear_Music's just stirred some memories of my life along the coast.

Great shots everyone!
 11/02/2005 12:20:01 PM · #36
Originally posted by wavelength:
Originally posted by Ennil:

I demand an explanation.


Meaning, I thought of you as one of the creative ones already. :P

I like you ;P
 11/02/2005 04:21:07 PM · #37
Originally posted by BrennanOB:
Bcoble, the issue with your submission was a fairly common one, any household nicknack, especially cute spencer gift type statuette, is going to score poorly no matter how perfectly lit and shot, unless it is taken to the point of abstract. I know I have a viceral reaction to the cute, and alot of people mark down any shot that is primarily a representation of the work of others (i.e. the sculptor who made that cute lil' thing) oddly if you shoot a shoe or a blender the restriction dosen't apply. Just thought I would try to give my opinion as to why the voting went the way it did.


Brennan, that "cute little statuette" does not come from Spencer's gifts. They are collectibles and are not cheap gag gifts from a sleezer store such as Spencers.

But you do make a valuable point here. People vote lower for "cute"....that includes kids, cats, dogs, kittens, bunnies, etc... But let it be a woman bearing her breast (I am not opposed to artful nude photography), those rate high marks every time!

So, the lesson to be learned is not to shoot what makes YOU happy but shoot what you know will get the votes.
 11/02/2005 04:38:58 PM · #38
Originally posted by madison461:
...So, the lesson to be learned is not to shoot what makes YOU happy but shoot what you know will get the votes.


just a hint, if you're always going to shoot what makes others happy then you yourself will never be happy and will lose interest in it altogether. I understand all too well the desire to win but this is a virtual ribbon here, I think some people (present company could be excluded) really take it too serious. Remember that no matter what you shoot or like you will NEVER please everyone, if you could we would see perfect scores on the blue ribbons and not a variety of scores, even they don't please everyone.
 11/02/2005 04:46:13 PM · #39
I'll just be bold and use this post to ask you all what you would have scored my picture, which I didn't submit because I chose to go with my delicate entry which did not very well at all... any comment welcome, especially really honest ones ;-)
Thanks!

11/02/2005 04:47:00 PM · #40
Originally posted by sabphoto:
Originally posted by madison461:
...So, the lesson to be learned is not to shoot what makes YOU happy but shoot what you know will get the votes.


just a hint, if you're always going to shoot what makes others happy then you yourself will never be happy and will lose interest in it altogether. I understand all too well the desire to win but this is a virtual ribbon here, I think some people (present company could be excluded) really take it too serious. Remember that no matter what you shoot or like you will NEVER please everyone, if you could we would see perfect scores on the blue ribbons and not a variety of scores, even they don't please everyone.


Just for the sake of argument, that statement presumes that "personal satisfaction with the image" is a major component of WHY a given person is taking pictures. I would suppose that for some people winning ribbons or getting steadily higher scores IS the goal, and I would presume that for these people the images that most please them are the ones that community-at-large validates. For these people, studying "the voters" and consciously working to please them is a valid goal.

Ineed, I'd go so far as to say that for neophyte photographers this might be the "best" goal in the whort run; the fact is that ribbon-winning pictures in DPC all have one thing in common; they are all "good" pictures and they all have mass appeal. The only debate is whether some of the also-rans might, by some abstract standard, be "better" than the winners.

So "learning" photography by emulating the work/techniques/approaches of our proven winners and doing your best to please the voters is, in my opinion, a good way to pick up a lot of the basics of photography. Once you have those skills in your arsenal, so to speak, then you can apply them to more creative, out-of-the-box entries of you're so inclined, confident that wou will not, at least. be found technically lacking, and that your images will be being judged on what you were hoping to accomplish rather than on your poor skills.

One of the bigger problems in evaluating one's own work in here, if it's highly original especially, is knowing how much of the response to it is based on technical criteria rather than more emotive ones.

Robt.
 11/02/2005 04:51:33 PM · #41
Originally posted by madison461:
So, the lesson to be learned is not to shoot what makes YOU happy but shoot what you know will get the votes.


You could put it that way, but I would say you have to be aware of how much mass appeal a subject has before you shoot. I like shooting weird archteture and interesting hand tools, but I am aware that these are not to everyone's taste, so I rarely submit them here.
It speaks volumes about the average voter that certain subjects do better than others, and yes, nude women tend to attract more attention than just about anything else.
I think the lesson is shoot what you like, but keep in mind what will garner high votes. Some of the most constant ribbon winners don't shoot for the challenge at all, they just shoot as they please and look through their images for something that might fit.

P.S. I ment no offense with the spencers remark, if it came off snarky I apologise, I know nothing about the world of collectibles.
 11/02/2005 04:55:55 PM · #42
Originally posted by BrennanOB:
Originally posted by madison461:
So, the lesson to be learned is not to shoot what makes YOU happy but shoot what you know will get the votes.


...I think the lesson is shoot what you like, but keep in mind what will garner high votes.



That's exactly what I did in the current challenge, I would have made the picture anyways, but had the challenge topic in the back of my mind, and there is nothing more satisfying than seeing a picture you like doing well!
 11/02/2005 05:02:42 PM · #43
Oh crap! I forgot my favorite of them all:


I can't believe I beat this picture by 3 places.
 11/02/2005 05:16:28 PM · #44
Hey that's me! I'm a sensitive wannabe photographer so lay off :) ... but seriously my 2 cents is that a seagull is more than 75% white and the background is perfectly white. The image basically came off the camera as unsaturated and greyscale. The challenge was suggesting that it would be tough to capture a light object w/ a white background without losing to "blowout". CHALLENGE here was the key, i thought. Combine that with a decent composition and a rather tough "capture" and you have a deserved blue (I might be a little biased though)!!! :)

Originally posted by sabphoto:
[quote] I am a bit bummed at the second and third place shots..they don't seem light to me. kick me if I am wrong about this..I guess I should have entered something else..hmm..just about anything really. :-)


and see I thought the 2nd and 3rd were light (unlike mine that wasn't light enough) but I was bummed by 1st. It is a great picture overall but I read the details as saying "a light color" and I don't consider b/w as a light color (when mixing pigments I thought you had to remove color to get white which would mean NO color). Of course this is what won the last time this challenge came up too so I guess I'm wrong. Just my opinion, they were all certainly technically perfect. [/quote]

Message edited by author 2005-11-02 17:17:18.
 11/02/2005 05:23:46 PM · #45
Originally posted by Nullix:
I can't believe I beat this picture by 3 places.


Don't rub it in. :-p

Anyways, I really liked this one and thought it would do better:

11/02/2005 05:27:59 PM · #46
That is a nice image! ... IMO if 7% of the voters think your photo didn't meet the challenge, you're hosed as far as placing. If they drop a few 1's on you ... bring out the hook!
 11/02/2005 05:35:00 PM · #47
if these three had been the 1,2,3 ribbon winners it would not have surprised me
26th27th28th
of course if the first 25 get DQed it might come to be.
 11/02/2005 08:36:49 PM · #48
I would have to say that just because it says Light on White doesn't mean it can't be white, because white is a light color...that's just what I got from it.
 11/02/2005 08:40:12 PM · #49
Originally posted by mfairbanks:
Speaking of whining, Angela Packard, geez, 74%, 10 comments, and a fave, with a respectable 5.495, way above your average, for a pet photo, which often seems to, like photo's of kids, run afoul of a certain block of voters who dont like them. This taken into account, I'd sy your photo did very well, you should be content with its placement.

Mike


Normally I would be happy, but considering the placement of the snap shot of bubbles got a 5.2, I thought this picture was much better. I just wish people would comment on things that need to be corrected or personal opinions or whatever so we know why we got the placement we did. Without that it was just a rating...
 11/02/2005 08:50:33 PM · #50

Technically the shot is fine. The background isn't perfectly white (there are some shadows there) and there's dirt visible in the foreground. But not any reason to score it low.

The shot also fits the challenge.

However, it just doesn't hold my attention for long, it doesn't say anything to me. It's just a shot of a dog (albeit a technically good one) - It's not very imaginative in terms of composition or camera angle (the subject is centered) - And the dog isn't doing anything, except sitting there looking slightly bored.
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