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12/27/2002 11:45:27 PM · #1 |
Canon D60 have more features and advantages than D30, I am particularly interested to know how significant (difference) is the shutter lag time between these 2 models. Also, given D30 is older model, I wonder if it is still available to be purchased, and what is the price difference between D30 and D60?
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12/27/2002 11:57:27 PM · #2 |
The D30 is a discontinued model, but they are readly available on eBay (where I bought mine) as are the D60's. I know a couple of folks who upgraded their D30 for a D60... and they all did it for the same reason.... resolution.
If you plan of printing up to 8x10, and typically find yourself cropping your photos... I'd recommend the D60. Although the D30 can print 8x10's fine with some upsizing/post processing.
But if your needs are limited to the Web, I'd go with the D30 and spend the money you saved on some super nice lenses.... where the real difference in photography is seen.
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12/28/2002 12:02:05 AM · #3 |
check ebay for a good idea of pricing - right now they're going around $1300US used and $1600US new as a buy-it-now option compared to a new d60 at about $2300US. that's a big difference if you don't need the huge resolution. there are other issues, but...
i too am considering a D30 as my next camera as i really don't plan on printing at all. i'll probably go D60 though, when i scrape up the cash, as you definitely won't need another SLR, ever, if you take care of it and aren't planning to produce professional poster-sized prints. check www.dpreview.com for a good, in-depth review of both of the cameras. i think he addresses the shutter speed issue there. |
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12/28/2002 02:38:17 AM · #4 |
Thanks for the info.
I checked the website provided but could not find the information on the shutter release lag time. If I am not mistaken, I remember that the shutter lag time on D60 is about 100ms, and since D60 has improved the lag time over the D30, I assume that the lag time for D30 would be much worse than 100ms (but can't be sure how significant was it?)
I currently own a EOS 500N (equivalent to Rebel in US - I think), and fuji finepix 1400 was the first digital camera I bought - to help me transition into digital world. Though I like the flexibility in digital photography, one of the most significant drawback on digital has been the shutter lag time. I am frustrated with the lag time from the finepix 1400 and am considering getting a better model, of course I do want to have the features on a typical SLR as well. Hence D30 and D60 appear to be my consideration. However they are much costly. Could someone share on the experience with the shutter release lag time on D30 and/or D60, compared to a conventional SLR?
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12/28/2002 04:25:20 AM · #5 |
On the D30, from www.steves-digicams.com:
"Autofocus and shutter lag times will vary depending on which lens, exposure and focus modes are being used. My review sample came with the Canon 28-135mm USM IS lens and most of the time I used the One Shot autofocus method and let the camera pick the focus point. Using it in this manner I hardly ever missed a shot, even when chasing rapid-moving jet skiers around at the beach. You can of course speed things up by using the AI Servo (continuous) autofocus mode and pre-selecting a given focus point. Canon claims the overall shutter lag of the D30 to be about the same as the EOS-1v which is exceptionally quick. In single drive mode you can rip off shots as fast as you can press the shutter button thanks to the fast autofocus system. Continuous drive mode is about 3fps which is considerably faster than the Fuji S1 at about 1.5fps. The autofocus system is enhanced in low-light conditions by the focus-assist lamp and is effective out to more than 15 feet even in total darkness."
And the D60:
"Shorter shutter release lag time, I didn't do any scientific testing but after owning a D30 for more than a year the D60 is clearly faster." |
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12/28/2002 04:49:41 AM · #6 |
| How long has the D60 been out? Are they considering releasing a newer model any time soon? |
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12/31/2002 03:56:54 AM · #7 |
I did further research on D-SLR and found that Nikon D100 has a price-range similar to Canon D60, but the D100 is slightly cheaper. Wonder if the Nikon is a good consideration??
However, and ideally, I am looking for a cheaper D-SLR (say, < US$1000). Some D-SLR are not 'real' SLR, that they have only fixed lense (not detachable/changeable). The key features that I am looking for are: auto and manual exposure control (both speed and aparture), auto and manual focus, selectable ISO, changeable lense. Is there such a D-SLR in the market, that is priced at US$1000?
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12/31/2002 11:36:08 AM · #8 |
With a changeable lens? Not that I'm aware of. As far as I know, the D60 and the D100 are the cheapest new entries in the DSLR market. You might be able to find a used D30 on ebay for less.
Throw out the changeable lens requirement, and there are a ton of options. Even some of the fixed lens cameras have tele and wide angle converters you can buy though, so it's sort of like having interchangeable lenses.
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01/03/2003 03:19:17 AM · #9 |
i have used both the d30 and d60 and nikon d100. :). lucky me. i shot at my state fair with the d30. the autofocus is fairly quick in the daylight but in the low light conditions, it is horrible. the d60 improves not quite drasticaly, but it still improves. the d100 seems to be from my memory the quickest of the three, but im not sure. in daylight, they are all fine though. the d60 isnt that much of an improvement over the d30 (besides resolution), unless you are talking about low light photography. i can print up 11x14 photos easily with the 3.1mp d30 which are better quality than my sony F707 slightly (5mp). you may want to check out the sony F707 or F717 at $650-1000. they have everthing you need but interchangable lenses, but the included lens is awesome (F2.0-2.4 {38-190mm equiv.}) carl zeiss with lazer assist in low light. the autofocus is OK, not great, but it works. also is the fuji S602 i belive. it is faster with the focus, but has les resolution, if i am correct.
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01/03/2003 07:51:37 AM · #10 |
This may sound like heresy, but, as someone who uses an e-10 (DSLR with fixed lens) and a Fuji S1 (DSLR that accepts nikon lenses), I have to say that interchangeable lenses are way overrated.
UNLESS, and only unless, you have the dosh (money) to spend on all kinds of exotic focal lengths (ie really huge tele's and wideangles), there is just not much point in getting a DSLR. Because the included lenses on many of the high end prosumer models today (ie sony 7x7, minolta dm7, nikon 5700, etc) are often of very good quality and generally include most of the focal lengths a person is likely to use. You can do everything from macro to good zoom right out of the box. And most of them offer relatively inexpensive wide angle enhancers and tele-extenders.
Whereas with a DSLR, if you want to do macro, you have to buy a macro lens. If you want zoom you must buy a zoom lens. And now you've spent about $3000. Whereas you could have spent a grand on one of the above cameras and do it all already, and do it very well.
I do grant the most recent DSLR's are higher resolution (although the difference again isnt imo worth the extra thousands of dollars) and have a few other niceties. And they *look* more like 'real' cameras. But that makes no difference to the picture quality :).
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01/03/2003 08:42:23 AM · #11 |
I agree Mag, price is definatetly the main issue with purchasing a DSLR. But there are alot more features other than lens interchangability that makes them attractive. I got to the point of fustration with my Sony F505V. I only had a minimum aperture of F8, which limited my DOF in macros, no bulb setting for long exposures, limited AP and SP modes, etc. I now have much more control over my exposures that my Sony didnt offer. The image quaility from the D60 compared to my Sony is definately noticeable. Another thing thats immmediately noticable is the quality of night shots between the 2. Dont get me wrong, you can do incredible stuff with a fixed lens digital, but the interchangeable lens option is just part of the equation. My advice is to shoot what you have to its fullest extent. Once you get to the point that your needing more functions and options, thats when you need to decide what to do next.
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01/03/2003 08:58:13 AM · #12 |
That's kind of the decision I am facing ( anice decision anyway ;-) ). I have had the s30 for a little more than 6 months and now I am sure of y heavy interest in photography ... I am hesitating between a
- Dimage7i / nikon 5700 ( arghh that missing manual focus/zoom ring)
- d60/s2/d100
True I would start with a 28-105 or 28-135 ... and right for the box ... the differerence between 1000$ and 2400$ is a big one to consider.
That's a true question I think : are you/am I willing to buy one more lens in the following year ?
But I would probably buy a fast 50mm and it's true that when you add the shutter lag/f16 aperture/faster lens possibility + gotta admit that the 'dream factor' of having a digital SLR ....
oh waow .. there is tougher decision than that !!!
is there ? ;-)
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01/05/2003 09:28:58 PM · #13 |
Ideally I am also targeting to get a DSLR, either D60/D30, or D100. But they are still too expensive for me. Hence I did some survey on Nikon 5700 (and other models such as Dimage7 or 5, Fuji S602 etc) but they all lack of certain important features/flexibilities that a SLR can provide (such as zoom ring you mentioned, and interchangeable lens, and bulb exposure option etc). But then the price is ~half of the true DSLR. Particularly the review for Nikon 5700 does not seem to be favorable becuase of the limitation in autofocus, shutter lag time, hence I dropped it from my consideration.
I have not made up my mind yet, can't make a good decision at this point (struggling between the factors of price vs the features) |
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