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 10/26/2005 10:55:43 AM · #1
ok, nothing against the photo or the photographer (though we've seen it's like before, it really was a nice shot. well done.) but how does a photo take 9th place when it so clearly does not meet the challenge?

not trying to rant (i voted, but had no photo in this challenge), but rather to understand what people were thinking.

10/26/2005 11:10:36 AM · #2
It's pretty.
 10/26/2005 11:16:13 AM · #3
Originally posted by Prof_Fate:
It's pretty.


then what's the point of a challenge topic? my wife's pretty too, but a shot of her should recieve high votes if the topic is blue flowers...

hmmm... maybe this is a rant...
 10/26/2005 12:49:30 PM · #4
How do you know that is not reflection? If the flower that appears in the water droplets in the net, and the light source, were both on the same side of the net as the camera, then it would be a reflection without a mirror.
 10/26/2005 01:01:04 PM · #5
Originally posted by kudzu:
ok, nothing against the photo or the photographer (though we've seen it's like before, it really was a nice shot. well done.) but how does a photo take 9th place when it so clearly does not meet the challenge?

not trying to rant (i voted, but had no photo in this challenge), but rather to understand what people were thinking.


I had the same reaction to the same image. While I understand Coolhar's point, I think that in the case of this particular image that scenario is unlikely. On the whole, as a photo, I loved it. I did not feel it met the challenge though.
 10/26/2005 01:10:06 PM · #6
Originally posted by coolhar:
How do you know that is not reflection? If the flower that appears in the water droplets in the net, and the light source, were both on the same side of the net as the camera, then it would be a reflection without a mirror.


because it's not. and quite obvious at that... it's a recreation of this 4th place shot from Macro V



which was, consiquently, shot by the same photographer... a job well done, yes, but it's still not a reflection...
 10/26/2005 01:12:44 PM · #7
Originally posted by coolhar:
How do you know that is not reflection? If the flower that appears in the water droplets in the net, and the light source, were both on the same side of the net as the camera, then it would be a reflection without a mirror.


The refracted flowers are upside down. If they awere a reflection of flowers on the same side of the netting as the camera, they wouldn't be. The image is definitely a refracted image, not a reflected one. I'm not sure that's relevant to the challenge though, as I've seen MUCH wider deviations between "dictioanry definitions" and "perceived definitions" in challenges before go past unnoticed.

To the technically-minded, the difference between refractiona nd reflection is immense, but to your average citizen I doubt that it is. That putative "average citizen" walking past this scene would say to his wife "Honey, look at the cool flower reflections in the water drops!" (if he noticed them at all).

Robt.

Refraction: The bending of light as it passes from one medium to another.


Message edited by author 2005-10-26 13:14:26.
 10/26/2005 01:13:57 PM · #8
Originally posted by brizmama:
I had the same reaction to the same image. While I understand Coolhar's point, I think that in the case of this particular image that scenario is unlikely. On the whole, as a photo, I loved it. I did not feel it met the challenge though.


Unlikely? yes; Impossible? no. Give the benefit of the doubt to the photog. Or maybe say that it does not meet the challenge very well in your perception. But to say that it absolutely does not meet the challenge is not possible without more info. At least that's the way I see it, your mileage may vary.
 10/26/2005 01:14:14 PM · #9
Originally posted by Prof_Fate:
It's pretty.

Good point. He wins.
 10/26/2005 01:21:56 PM · #10
Originally posted by coolhar:
Unlikely? yes; Impossible? no. Give the benefit of the doubt to the photog. Or maybe say that it does not meet the challenge very well in your perception. But to say that it absolutely does not meet the challenge is not possible without more info. At least that's the way I see it, your mileage may vary.


well... you can see from the photographer's own comments that the set up for the shot is not in question.

and i'm not suggesting we take his 9th place from him... nothing of the sort. i'm just trying to understand how so many people can over look such an obvious dnmc, even if it is pretty. (an opinion i agree with)
 10/26/2005 01:25:55 PM · #11
Actually, weren't there numerous comments (39 I think) made on this image during the challenge - many made mention of refraction vs reflection...yet the avg score per commenter was almost a 7?

Not really taking any position on this, just thought it was interesting food for thought. ;^)
 10/26/2005 01:26:15 PM · #12
Originally posted by kudzu:
I'm not suggesting we take his 9th place from him... nothing of the sort. i'm just trying to understand how so many people can over look such an obvious dnmc, even if it is pretty. (an opinion i agree with)


As I said earlier, for most people there's no distinction. When's the last time you heard someone say "Hey! Cool refractions in that water droplet!"?

R.
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