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10/25/2005 04:23:58 PM · #51 |
Well, I tried editing your picture the way you said and the background gets white but the wrench really washes out, too. It really looks to me that you masked the wrench (and not very well as the mask extended onto the background) and then lightened up the backround only - the areas of the background that were masked didn't lighten up like the rest of the background leaving the shadows in your final version. If you increase the brightness and contrast on the whole picture the wrench washes out a lot.
Perhaps, you did just forget that you did this. I know when I'm editing I have to actually write down the steps I took of I forget them. It's also easy to edit in several different ways and forget which picture is which.
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10/25/2005 04:25:26 PM · #52 |
Originally posted by MeThoS:
I'm a little confused myself. So are you sayin ghe lasso'd the white area and spot edited that?
If he did, he should be DQ'd for not selecting the whole outline of the wrench and not feathering the selection!! ;o) |
LOL, thanks I needed a lugh. ;-) |
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10/25/2005 04:27:55 PM · #53 |
Working from the small copy of the original (very unsatisfactory) I have to say it's not possible to achieve the finished version without doing separate adjustment on wrench and BG; it's as simple as that. And I'm pretty good at basic editing miracles. Certainly, it's not possible to attain the finished result you did with ONLY the steps you listed...
Robt.
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10/25/2005 04:29:17 PM · #54 |
Where is ken and his godzilla that will fix it.
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10/25/2005 04:29:44 PM · #55 |
| The stupid thing here is you can get a high contrast white background quite easily without effecting the wrench and still be legal but it's a different method then what was used. |
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10/25/2005 04:31:23 PM · #56 |
I used the original file you submitted to SC, and applied the contrast/brightness that you described, and here is the result. It does not display the questionable editing characteristics in the shot you submitted...
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10/25/2005 04:31:30 PM · #57 |
Originally posted by Sammie:
Perhaps, you did just forget that you did this. I know when I'm editing I have to actually write down the steps I took of I forget them. It's also easy to edit in several different ways and forget which picture is which. |
The problem is I created this photo specifically for this challenge. I only created one version of it, although I editted it several times before I submitted. I'm just a little flustered I can't convince anyone the photo is perfectly liggit.
Hell, I was proud of it, even named my new blog after it. Just a slap in the face is all. I'll get over it. Probably by next time I get another DQ Request... lol. I'm by no means gonna seek revenge on the SC's or quit using DPC. |
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10/25/2005 04:32:56 PM · #58 |
Been following this thread with great interest as I often wondered how SC manage to get thru what must be such a workload each challenge. While I don't want to cast doubt on fotomann, I am pleased that there is such broad agreement across SC and that is what keeps DPC honest.
The day will come when I get a DQ, and of course I will query it and not be able to remember what steps I took, altho most of my shots are so basic my 10 year old grandson could do better!!
Keep up the good work SC, sorry for your DQ fotomann, that's all folks!
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10/25/2005 04:38:51 PM · #59 |
I don't think he should of been DQ'd. If he really did do spot editing do you think he would have amde this thread?
Message edited by author 2005-10-25 16:41:14.
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10/25/2005 04:41:53 PM · #60 |
Originally posted by stare_at_the_sun:
...the background can be made white with just contrast. |
The white background was never in question. It was the hard-edged artifacts around the bottom of the wrench in the entered version that resulted in a DQ. |
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10/25/2005 04:45:44 PM · #61 |
I am surprised no one has said it but I will:
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10/25/2005 04:46:02 PM · #62 |
Originally posted by stare_at_the_sun:
I don't think he should of been DQ'd. If he really did do spot editing do you think he would have amde this thread? |
Thank you much. I've FTP'd an "orignal" with only my original cropping to //www.polishedtool.com/uploads/Untitled-1.jpg, if you want to try with a larger photo, go ahead. |
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10/25/2005 04:46:04 PM · #63 |
Ok....it's really none of my business anyways.
But my reflections shot got DQ'd too man...date must of got messed up somewhere, cause I KNOW the camera was right. But hey...It's cool, whatever, not the end of the world.
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10/25/2005 04:46:49 PM · #64 |
Originally posted by stare_at_the_sun:
If he really did do spot editing do you think he would have made this thread? |
It wouldn't be the first time. Not all spot editing is intentional or malicious. It's not hard to imagine someone absent-mindedly grabbing the eraser or a lasso tool for a quick touchup, and not even registering that it happened. I've had to re-edit several shots after catching myself in similar situations. |
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10/25/2005 04:49:15 PM · #65 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Not all spot editing is intentional or malicious. It's not hard to imagine someone absent-mindedly grabbing the eraser or a lasso tool for a quick touchup, and not even registering that it happened. I've had to re-edit several shots after catching myself in similar situations. |
Yeppers I caught myself doing the same thing last night on my upcoming ribbon winner... Luckily I caught myself and disciplined myself accordingly!!!
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10/25/2005 04:49:24 PM · #66 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by stare_at_the_sun:
If he really did do spot editing do you think he would have made this thread? |
It wouldn't be the first time. Not all spot editing is intentional or malicious. It's not hard to imagine someone absent-mindedly grabbing the eraser or a lasso tool for a quick touchup, and not even registering that it happened. I've had to re-edit several shots after catching myself in similar situations. |
Ditto. I don't know how many times I have refelxively used healing brush on a dust spot then said to myself, "Wait a minute! This is BASIC editing!"
R.
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10/25/2005 04:54:31 PM · #67 |
Ok I took the image off his site and its not quite 4 x 6.
I used PSP7 adjusted brightness to 37 and contrast to 30
I could also get a better white background just by adjusting in curves.
I dont know but someone is in the wrong, be it Leroy or the SC? Who knows?
Message edited by author 2005-10-25 16:58:11.
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10/25/2005 04:55:22 PM · #68 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by stare_at_the_sun:
If he really did do spot editing do you think he would have made this thread? |
It wouldn't be the first time. Not all spot editing is intentional or malicious. It's not hard to imagine someone absent-mindedly grabbing the eraser or a lasso tool for a quick touchup, and not even registering that it happened. I've had to re-edit several shots after catching myself in similar situations. |
That's the problem, I created this photo with the Challenge in mind. I have 42 other originals. I shot basically the same shot that many times with various other "models and poses". I used white backgrounds and even a blue background that would have been easy to replace.
I know beyond a shadow of a doubt I did not spot edit this photo. Oh well, I guess I'm guilty til someone can reproduce my results. By then, voting will be over and this will all mean nothing. I wonder what I can shoot tomorrow. Anyone know when we will have Reflections 3? ;-) |
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10/25/2005 04:55:53 PM · #69 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
The white background was never in question. It was the hard-edged artifacts around the bottom of the wrench in the entered version that resulted in a DQ. |
Perhaps he suddenly sneezed violently while the photo was being taken and the hard-edged artifacts are the results of that sneeze after the levels were changed.
Actually, could it be possible that the hard-edged artifacts in the submitted photo are actually results from the photo being resized? The original is fairly large, and if there is a slight gray area in the background, it could become a dark dot when resized.
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10/25/2005 04:56:59 PM · #70 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Originally posted by stare_at_the_sun:
I don't think he should of been DQ'd. If he really did do spot editing do you think he would have amde this thread? |
Thank you much. I've FTP'd an "orignal" with only my original cropping to //www.polishedtool.com/uploads/Untitled-1.jpg, if you want to try with a larger photo, go ahead. |
Here's my take, not sure how you got those artifacts.
Shouldn't a spot editing DQ only be for images that it HELPED? If he spot edited it, it only made it worse.
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10/25/2005 04:59:43 PM · #71 |
Originally posted by MeThoS:
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Originally posted by stare_at_the_sun:
I don't think he should of been DQ'd. If he really did do spot editing do you think he would have amde this thread? |
Thank you much. I've FTP'd an "orignal" with only my original cropping to //www.polishedtool.com/uploads/Untitled-1.jpg, if you want to try with a larger photo, go ahead. |
Here's my take, not sure how you got those artifacts.
Shouldn't a spot editing DQ only be for images that it HELPED? If he spot edited it, it only made it worse. |
Now see, this is much more like what I get when I work on the image for a while. But the picture submitted to the challenge has these two areas close to the bottom of the wrench which are not in this picture. The editing done to the submitted picture has to have been different than the described steps. Using the described steps there's no way you can get the result that was posted to the challenge.
Maybe fotomann submitted the wrong picture to the challenge? It would not be the first time that's happened.
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10/25/2005 05:01:17 PM · #72 |
Originally posted by vonautsch:
Actually, could it be possible that the hard-edged artifacts in the submitted photo are actually results from the photo being resized? The original is fairly large, and if there is a slight gray area in the background, it could become a dark dot when resized. |
I don't think so. I tried it starting both on the full size (cropped) image, and the cropped resized picture. Neither gets those artifacts in that way using adjustments to the whole image.
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10/25/2005 05:01:30 PM · #73 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
It wouldn't be the first time. Not all spot editing is intentional or malicious. It's not hard to imagine someone absent-mindedly grabbing the eraser or a lasso tool for a quick touchup, and not even registering that it happened. I've had to re-edit several shots after catching myself in similar situations. |
This is so true - I've done it many times myself, without even thinking you start cloning out dust spots or selecting one area you want to work on.
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10/25/2005 05:02:14 PM · #74 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by stare_at_the_sun:
If he really did do spot editing do you think he would have made this thread? |
It wouldn't be the first time. Not all spot editing is intentional or malicious. It's not hard to imagine someone absent-mindedly grabbing the eraser or a lasso tool for a quick touchup, and not even registering that it happened. I've had to re-edit several shots after catching myself in similar situations. |
That's the problem, I created this photo with the Challenge in mind. I have 42 other originals. I shot basically the same shot that many times with various other "models and poses". I used white backgrounds and even a blue background that would have been easy to replace.
I know beyond a shadow of a doubt I did not spot edit this photo. Oh well, I guess I'm guilty til someone can reproduce my results. By then, voting will be over and this will all mean nothing. I wonder what I can shoot tomorrow. Anyone know when we will have Reflections 3? ;-) |
Can you yourself reproduce the results and write down exactly how and let us know?
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10/25/2005 05:03:09 PM · #75 |
Originally posted by ursula:
Originally posted by MeThoS:
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Originally posted by stare_at_the_sun:
I don't think he should of been DQ'd. If he really did do spot editing do you think he would have amde this thread? |
Thank you much. I've FTP'd an "orignal" with only my original cropping to //www.polishedtool.com/uploads/Untitled-1.jpg, if you want to try with a larger photo, go ahead. |
Here's my take, not sure how you got those artifacts.
Shouldn't a spot editing DQ only be for images that it HELPED? If he spot edited it, it only made it worse. |
Now see, this is much more like what I get when I work on the image for a while. But the picture submitted to the challenge has these two areas close to the bottom of the wrench which are not in this picture. The editing done to the submitted picture has to have been different than the described steps. Using the described steps there's no way you can get the result that was posted to the challenge.
Maybe fotomann submitted the wrong picture to the challenge? It would not be the first time that's happened. |
Mine took like 2 minutes. Just open levels in PS and click the highlight button, then just click on the darkest part of the background.
Like I said before, if he did use the magic wand (would be my guess), it sure didn't help the image any.
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