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Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

10/19/2005 04:47:56 PM · #1

OK, going into the reflections challenge I knew I was going to be scraping the bottom of the barrel. I entered because I thought it was a cool shot and it IS a reflection. I really didn't expect it to do well, if anything it should prove a point about giving the benefit of the doubt when in question.

I've had comments that my entry does not meet challenge. PEOPLE, HONESTLY!!! When one object is reflected by another object, the images may not be TRUE mirror images. Irregularities in the reflective surface, distance from the reflective surface, perspective, ALL have an effect on how the image AND the reflected image are perceived. Just because the REFLECTION is not an EXACT, REVERSED image of the object being reflected does not make it any less of a reflection. Geesh people, LOOK at the image, PAY attention and use your BRAINS when voting!!!!! My only satisfaction will be when voters who said "does not meet challenge" read the comments after the challenge and realize "HEY, WHAT DO YOU KNOW... IT IS A REFLECTION". Hey, what do you know you gave a low vote because you

a.) didn't give the benefit of the doubt

or

b.) are totally oblivious to some of the most basic laws of physics.

WHEW! Ok, I feel better now. Thanks for listening... er... uh... reading! :-)

Anybody want an image critiqued? muahahahahaha!!!!

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

10/19/2005 05:07:49 PM · #2

Originally posted by Palmetto_Pixels:

Anybody want an image critiqued? muahahahahaha!!!!

Anytime : )

Your need to lash out should find ample fodder throughout my portfolio, so do your worst -- I can take it.

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

10/19/2005 05:19:31 PM · #3

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Your need to lash out should find ample fodder throughout my portfolio, so do your worst -- I can take it.

Not really a need to "lash out", just frustration with some of the narrow-minded views. OK, maybe narrow-minded is a bit harsh, but it's the only description I can come up with right now.

BTW... Left you a comment! ;-)

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

10/19/2005 05:53:32 PM · #4

Originally posted by Palmetto_Pixels:

BTW... Left you a comment! ;-)

Thanks! Color accuracy is one of my weak points (red-green color-blind). I drive past that place often, so I'm always on the watch for this effect -- I have a very similar one of a sunset, shot from the opposite side of the same ridge : )

gaurawa

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

10/19/2005 06:24:19 PM · #5

If you are still giving out comments.. pick any of my photos :)

10/19/2005 07:32:29 PM · #6

Originally posted by gaurawa:

If you are still giving out comments.. pick any of my photos :)

Done!

10/19/2005 07:33:50 PM · #7

LOL!!! The trolls must have read this post! My pathetic score is continuing to drop!!!

petrakka

10/19/2005 07:52:44 PM · #8

the thing with challenges is that it doesn't matter if it technically meets the challenge. It meets the challenge well if it immediately conveys the challenge concept to the viewer, so obviously you did not do a good job of doing that. It could be a great photo, but whether it's a reflection or not, if you get 'does not meet challenge' comments, then it doesn't convey a reflection very well.

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6

10/19/2005 08:02:39 PM · #9

Originally posted by petrakka:

so obviously you did not do a good job of doing that. It could be a great photo, but whether it's a reflection or not, if you get 'does not meet challenge' comments, then it doesn't convey a reflection very well.

Don't be so sure of that! You haven't seen the image yet! ;-)

Actually the image isn't that great. I would probably give it a 4 or a 5 if I was voting on it! It's not really the score I'm complaining about.

Message edited by author 2005-10-19 20:04:08.

KaDi

Canon EOS-300D Rebel

10/19/2005 08:11:27 PM · #10

Originally posted by Palmetto_Pixels:

Originally posted by petrakka:
so obviously you did not do a good job of doing that. It could be a great photo, but whether it's a reflection or not, if you get 'does not meet challenge' comments, then it doesn't convey a reflection very well.

Don't be so sure of that! You haven't seen the image yet! ;-)

Actually the image isn't that great. I would probably give it a 4 or a 5 if I was voting on it! It's not really the score I'm complaining about.

So...if you, yourself, would give it a 4 or 5...then you're complaining about the Does Not Meet The Challenge comments, yes? Did it occur to you that, in addition to being a below-average photo, people might not think it would meet the challenge? You say it should "prove a point about giving the benefit of the doubt when in question"...I suppose you *only* mean the voters in your case.

Edit to add a small bit of clarification: Why would you expect anyone to spend time "using their brains" or contemplating the intricacies of something you, the maker of the photo, don't even give high regard to?

Message edited by author 2005-10-19 20:13:04.

burtct

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

10/19/2005 08:12:37 PM · #11

You have my sympathy. I took what I rate as the best pic I have submitted to the site, and (I assume because people cannot believe it is a reflection? no-one is saying) my score looks like ending up under 5. Perhaps I should have saved it for the next illusion challenge. There is no way to take the pic without it being a reflection, but the reflecting surface is not "obvious" - perfectly fulfilling the requirement for a reflection without a mirror - how wrong can one be.

I thought of submitting a pic like you decribe - having the colour of an object reflecting off something like a satin surface, but was put off by the knowledge that subtlety is a very high risk scoring strategy in a popular vote competition.

Good luck with the score, but I think you may need to look forward to the next challenge. Personally though, I think I will stick with the member only challenges in future.

DrAchoo

Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX5

10/19/2005 10:21:00 PM · #12

I am ready to lash out at the voters during this challenge too Palmetto! Here is a portion of a comment I just receive (during a 0.3 plummet I took in a few hours).

"Nice concept but isn't that a mirror? even if its a glass...it still comes very close to mirror"

Apparently I'm getting the evil eye for using something that is close to a mirror.

That came moments after...

"Well it can't be a reflection in a mirror, so it must be a photograph. But that isn't a reflection at all."

AAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!

10/19/2005 10:32:23 PM · #13

Originally posted by KaDi:

Why would you expect anyone to spend time "using their brains" or contemplating the intricacies of something you, the maker of the photo, don't even give high regard to?

OK, let me clarify. The image itself is rather interesting and thought provoking (IMHO). The reflection is fairly obvious if you look at it. I would vote it a 4 or 5 simply because of technical issues (soft focus to be specific). It was unavoidable in this case (damn kit lens), but I will not discuss any further details because I do not want to give the identity of the image away. The image is actually rather interesting IMHO.

Originally posted by burtct:

having the colour of an object reflecting off something like a satin surface

Great idea, but mine was not nearly so subtle.

Originally posted by burtct:

but I think you may need to look forward to the next challenge

I am actually. This challenge was merely to try something new. I'm not getting upset over the score at all. Voters not noticing an obvious reflection leads me to believe they aren't looking at the image, but such is the nature of these challenges. Que sera sera!

Now the next challenge(s)..... That's a different story!!! I have 3 great ideas for all 3 challenges.... Now I have to pick 2 and find the time to get them shot!!! I'm finally feeling the desire to participate in a challenge rather than the need to (as was the case with the current challenge).

Cheers! See ya at the finish line!!!

Nikon AF-S DX NIKKOR 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6G ED VR II

10/19/2005 10:33:54 PM · #14

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

"Well it can't be a reflection in a mirror, so it must be a photograph. But that isn't a reflection at all."

AAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!

ROFLMAO.... I hear ya buddy!!!

Edit:

Given your recent performance, it's a safe bet you aren't in the 4.2 trench I'm in!!!! Look at it this way... It could be worse!!!

Message edited by author 2005-10-19 22:35:04.

mpemberton

10/20/2005 05:59:56 AM · #15

On this challenge I treated it as if a client asked me to take a picture of a reflecting surface. So, any picture of reflection on a surface taken at a close range where it would be possible to have you camera also showing I started at 6. Pictures where the surface is a secondary component I voted lower.

Jammur

Nikon D300

10/20/2005 04:15:02 PM · #16

Originally posted by Palmetto_Pixels:

LOL!!! The trolls must have read this post! My pathetic score is continuing to drop!!!

I'm new here, so I don't know all the cliques yet.
Trolls would be the people who submitt pictures taken from under bridges?

burtct

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

10/21/2005 01:31:30 AM · #17

Originally posted by mpemberton:

Ahhh so you're to blame for my score :)

More seriously though the challenge is to "Creatively photograph a reflecting surface that is not a mirror while keeping.....". Now, how about if one 'creativly photographs a reflecting surface ' so that it is seen only by the reflections in it, why should that not meet the challenge?