DQ: editing steps - DPChallenge Forums

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6

10/17/2005 06:00:45 PM · #1

"If the validity of your submitted photograph comes into question, you may be asked to submit your original, unmodified photograph and steps to recreate your submitted photograph from your original photograph."

What happens if you can't recall the precise steps of editing when you're asked? Is this a reason for DQ?

KaDi

Canon EOS-300D Rebel

10/17/2005 06:04:42 PM · #2

Probably not. They didn't actually convict Ollie North for his poor memory, did they?
Someone from SC really needs to answer you, but you probably have a good idea of what you did to your image. Did you crop, shift colors, sharpen, touch up a spot, etc? I'm sure you can recall the basics...no?

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6

10/17/2005 06:06:07 PM · #3

the basics are in my head, but I'm not sure in wich order I made them

KaDi

Canon EOS-300D Rebel

10/17/2005 06:10:35 PM · #4

Originally posted by biteme:

the basics are in my head, but I'm not sure in wich order I made them

That's o.k. Get the basics out of your head and into writing. I wouldn't think that order is going to matter as much in this case.

If you're worried, send a private message to one of the SC--choose one who's currently online to increase your chances of an early reply.

BTW, you could think of this as a validation process (rather than a DQ process)...it'll help you keep your spirits up! I have requested validation for images that were so incredible I just couldn't imagine how someone could do that (legally) and I've been amazed to see that, yes, indeed, one can achieve that awesome effect legally. =)

jab119

10/17/2005 06:11:13 PM · #5

you dont need to list the order, just what you did to it

crop
resize
auto levels
brightness contrast
and what ever other steps yo did

James

KaDi

Canon EOS-300D Rebel

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6

10/17/2005 06:12:32 PM · #6

This guy just logged in...he's an "expert"! ;-)

(Love you Shannon!)

Canon EOS-20D

Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di for Canon

10/17/2005 06:14:09 PM · #7

You won't be shot for lack of precise documentation. We just need a general idea of what you did so that if we need to attempt to recreate it, we can. So as close as you can get to what you did is good but it's nothing to stress over too much.

Pentax DA 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 AF

10/17/2005 06:17:21 PM · #8

ok, I understand, thanx!

one more question.

in basic editing there's nothing said about editing in the RAW editor. I used some options in there. is this ok?

saracat

Pentax K10D

10/17/2005 06:19:36 PM · #9

It might help you to remember what steps you took (if you should ever need to) if you include a note in the comments section (I know you can do this in Advanced Options under Save in the GIMP - I assume PS has something similar) when you save your pic. It doesn't have to be anything fancy, just the basic steps you took.
You might also find that handy if you ever want to duplicate a particular effect but don't have photographic memory (no pun intended), but you might want to include more detail if you're interested in reproducing effects.

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

10/17/2005 06:23:39 PM · #10

thanx saracat! I'd have to check where to find that.

scalvert

Canon EOS-5D Mark III

10/17/2005 06:28:42 PM · #11

Originally posted by biteme:

....there's nothing said about editing in the RAW editor. I used some options in there. is this ok?

Sure. Shooting in RAW gives you the [huge] advantage of changing some camera settings retroactively. You can adjust white balance or tweak your exposure later, and it's as if you did it in-camera.

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

10/17/2005 06:32:03 PM · #12

ok. I can use ALL options in the RAW editor, or am I limited to some specific things?

What if they asked me to validate my photo. Do I have to send the original .CRW file, the .THM file and the .xmp file?

(sorry for all these questions...)

Message edited by author 2005-10-17 18:34:50.

scalvert

Canon EOS-5D Mark III

10/17/2005 06:34:36 PM · #13

Dangit... too many questions...

Whatever you can do in the RAW editor (before exporting as JPEG) should be OK. I can't speak for every application out there, so if some new software allows you to make selective edits or apply filter effects to the RAW file before export, then that could be a problem in Basic, but I haven't seen a RAW editor with that capability yet.

The CRW file is the original we need.

Message edited by author 2005-10-17 18:39:43.

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

10/17/2005 06:45:51 PM · #14

Originally posted by scalvert:

Dangit... too many questions...

I'm so sorry...

ok, the thing I'm a bit worried about is the vignetting-option (lens / vignetting / amount). I used it to get rid of ugly dark borders which get very smoothly to white. I didn't like it the way it came out of my camera, so I set the amount to the max.

I guess I'm fine (maybe I have to get to the point a little faster :P)

Message edited by author 2005-10-17 18:47:45.

scalvert

Canon EOS-5D Mark III

10/17/2005 06:54:59 PM · #15

Hmm... vignetting option? The RAW editors I'm used to basically mirror the settings in your camera, but correcting lens distortion might very well be considered a selective adjustment since it only affects the edges. What software are you using? If in doubt, you might want to send a file to an SC member for a more specific opinion.

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

10/17/2005 06:58:23 PM · #16

I use the software from the EOS 350D from a friend of mine.

the photo we're talking about is for the "What?" challenge. So I send the CRW file? Can I send it to you?

Neil

Fujifilm X-T30

10/17/2005 07:00:28 PM · #17

The term "Raw Editor" is the gray area here.

Most specialized "raw converters" don't allow spot editing. At least Bibble, Breezebrowser, and RSE don't.

Other raw converters are embedded in editors. If you were to call that a "Raw editor", then you can do illegal things. DCRAW is embedded in a lot of programs, like Thumbsplus. Once I open a RAW file in T+, I can do spot editing or anything else. Same for opening a file using Photoshops RAW converter--it opens into PS and then of course you are on your own to follow the rules.

Now, if that's clear, let me add an additional complication. Bibble now has built in lens correction. So does Adobe Camera Raw (the PS converter). This can be used to correct distortion from wide angle lenses. I don't know if it's legal to use that in a Basic challenge, but since the perspective tool isn't legal, I would guess not. Not that I agree with that!

Neil

Fujifilm X-T30

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

10/17/2005 07:07:47 PM · #18

Adobe Camera Raw converter does have lens corrections--one of them is for vignetting. (That does lighten "selectively" the areas on the corners and edges of the frame.)

Edit: It's a site council decision of course, but it's a pretty mundane correction to not allow!

Message edited by author 2005-10-17 19:08:34.

10/17/2005 07:26:33 PM · #19

I really really hope one of the SC can give me an answer, so I can do the editing all over again tomorrow.... blugh!

Message edited by author 2005-10-17 19:39:23.

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

10/18/2005 01:52:35 AM · #20

nobody knows about this yet?

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

10/18/2005 01:57:17 AM · #21

Originally posted by biteme:

nobody knows about this yet?

No, it's kind of a major discussion issue.

If in doubt, don't use it ....