Couple comments on complementary colors and voting

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

10/09/2005 06:39:54 PM · #1

Just found this and thought you all would like to see it, says red/green and yellow/purple are NOT complementary colors. //www.greatreality.com/CompFrame.htm Interesting reading anyway, and does make some sense.

Vent time, my entry into comp colors has received 7 comments, the WORST is: NICE, meets the challenge but seems a little washed out, others include *removed reference to specific entry*. Very clean image with lots of curve. The *removed reference to specific entry* are a little distracting. The *removed reference to specific entry* is creative.
So you can pick mine out if you care to. Others say about the same, yet my score is continually falling from 5.5 to under 5 in the last two days. How is it possible to get so many UNDER 5 with a pic that obviously meets the challenge and is to so many a nice pic???? Course using the "Rule of Thirds" (so I can use one I did not enter), the first place "Leaving the Day Behind" got 9 votes under five, second place "Overachiever" got twelve under five, and "The Eye" got fifteen under five!! I would REALLY like to know by what criteria the "voters" could possible be using to give any of those 4's or 3's let alone 1' and 2', which there were a couple. I realize this will do not a whit of good, but it decided me not to pay for this site, probably will stick around and enter once in awhile, and vote, using my own criteria - if it meets the challenge and is a viable photo, 4 is the LOWEST possible. Has to have something wrong to get that. 5 or more is much more likely!! Also, have received emails from people I left comments for while voting on Complementary Colors???? That was a shock, thought that the names were not shown til after the voting was over!! Must depend on who you are?????? Oh well, wonder if they can see my name on my entry too? Could explain the sudden drop in my score??!?? LOL, matters not to me anymore, after a little over a month here, it seems to be a joke (voting that is) to a LOT of people. IMO, I realize that too!!

Jacque

Message edited by hbunch7187 - removed references to specific entry.

jrtodd

Nikon D850

10/09/2005 06:43:54 PM · #2

Well now that we all know which picture is yours you should remove the direct references.

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

10/09/2005 06:47:58 PM · #3

Is there a rule against it? I missed it if there is, sorry.

Jacque

jrtodd

Nikon D850

10/09/2005 06:52:38 PM · #4

Yes there is, and if I am correct, your score just dropped even more....

HBunch

HP PhotoSmart 315

10/09/2005 07:02:28 PM · #5

Originally posted by jrtodd:

Yes there is, and if I am correct, your score just dropped even more....

No, there is not. However, it is site etiquette to protect the anonyminity of your shot. People do not appreciate losing that anonyminity when people reveal their entries, and do vote even lower. If you want to discuss your entry, do it after the results are posted please. I will edit your post to remove reference to your entry.

Elaine

Canon EOS R5

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS II USM Lens

10/09/2005 07:09:50 PM · #6

You can choose to hide your name on comments made during voting on your preference page. No one can see your name with your entry until after the voting.

LN13

Canon EOS-60D

Canon EF-S 15-85mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM

10/09/2005 07:26:26 PM · #7

Your link refers to colors of light (where the primaries are red, blue and green), so, if the photo is if light, then yes, there is a difference. But since the majority (if not all) of the photos submitted in this challenge are of solid objects, then the primaries are red, blue and yellow, which produce a differt set of complementaries.

philup

Canon EOS-5D

Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di for Canon

10/09/2005 07:41:43 PM · #8

Jacque, a little tip: Photography is nothing to get upset about..DPC is nothing to get upset about. Voters on this site are very different, different in there own way. It may be good or it may be bad. Photography should be something you enjoy, NO matter what other people think. Keep it up, your photos are good!

Phil

Nikon AF Zoom-Nikkor 18-135mm f/3.5- 5.6G ED DX

10/10/2005 01:03:55 AM · #9

Thanks hbunch, I did read the rules and did not see anything against it, but did not realize I was breaching an unwritten rule of etiquette. Will not happen again.

jrtodd, would assume that means you went and reduced your score on my entry, does not bother me at all, if that is what you did, kinda proves my point about voting on pics, does it not? People give out scores withour regard to the actual pic?

Larryslights, that site does refer to light mixture and solid mixtures too, as in this direct quote from that site " And there's no red paint that can be mixed with any green paint to produce a neutral grey. Try itâ��if your red and green paint colors are pure enough, you may be able to mix a black, but you can't mix grey. You'll get a dark brown. If you dilute the paints, or tint them with white, you'll get lighter browns, but you won't produce grey." And of course we all realize that we look at things the way the light reflects off them is the reason we see the colors we do. That is true in all forms.

Still would love to have ANYONE come forward and tell by what perverse means they would vote a 1 or 2, or even a 3 or 4 on any of those photographs I mentioned from the Rules of Thirds voting.

Chaimelle, that is true ONLY for paying members I found out, may be a reason the entries get so few of us leaving feedback with our votes, kinda makes us feel an inferior being knowing others can see our names and we cannot see theirs.

Philup, I appreciate those words greatly, and believe it or not I am not really that upset, especially not with taking pics, and will continue, but unless I come up with lots of extra money, this will NOT be the site I donate my money to. I still love the idea, and wish people could be more honest (for lack of a defining word) about voting. Those pics (and almost all the other winning photos from all the contests) prove what I am saying, bunch of people give out low scores(and sometimes high to bad pics too, maybe to average their voting scores out?), with NO valid reason, just to bring a good pic down, as far as I can see. I came to this sight with the thought that I would actually get some feedback from people that both like and dislike my pics, and apparantly not very many of the voters can be honest enough to tell anyone why they voted below average. Considering I have emails showing that I cannot comment without revealing my name, can understand why some would not want to. Me, does not bother too much, I USUALLY leave comments on anything below a four, but changed that to a three now. Sometimes I miss, I know, I am all too human! But I do try.

JeffryZ

Nikon D80

10/10/2005 01:22:45 AM · #10

Who knows why people vote the way they do. This site gets a lot of votes on their challenges so things should average out to pretty close to where they belong. People with less experience will tend to vote for a "pretty picture" so more mainstream, well done photos seem to win. As far as complementary colors, my understanding of the definition is colors that are adjacent to each other on the color wheel. I am seeing a lot of pictures with contrasting colors which are opposites on the color wheel (like red and green), not complementary colors. I used a delibereately grainy photo for Thirds and got nailed for being grainy or out of focus. It was more mysterious than bright and colorful. I can tell (I think) about where I should stand and enjoy seeing all the pictures to try and learn something from them. I don't really worry about my vote numbers (although it would be great to get a ribbon some day!) We all want aproval and for everyone to tell us how great our photos are.

perryn

Canon EOS-700D Rebel T5i

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS STM

10/10/2005 01:25:37 AM · #11

I have entered only one challenge to date (Complementary Colours II) and the majority of comments I have received so far are of a helpful nature, some like my pic some don't. But nobody has dumped on my pic as yet, even the hidden ID users. As some people have mentioned in another thread everyone has their own methods in marking pictures, and we have to accept each one of those methods as valid for each of those people. I'm not a paying member yet, but from what I have seen so far I will be very shortly.

wavelength

Nikon D300

Nikon AF Nikkor 50mm f/1.8D

10/10/2005 01:54:13 AM · #12

Complementary colors as specified in classic art are red/green blue/oarnge, and purple/yellow.

Look it up on Google,or an art book, please.

Assume quotes on all below.

Glossary Term: Complementary colors
Complementary colors are located directly across from each other on the color wheel.

Complementary pairs contrast because they share no common colors. For example, red and green are complements, because green is made of blue and yellow.
//www.sanford-artedventures.com/study/g_complementary.html

Definition: Two colors on opposite sides of the colour wheel, which when placed next to each other make both appear brighter. The complementary color of a primary color (red, blue, and yellow) is the color you get by mixing the other two (red + blue = purple; blue + yellow = green; red + yellow = orange). So the complementary color for red is green, for blue it's orange, and for yellow it's purple.
//painting.about.com/library/blcompcolors.htm

Complementary (com-pluh-MEN-tuh-ree) colors sit opposite each other on the color wheel. Because they are opposites, they tend to look especially lively when used together. When you put complementary colors together, each color looks more noticeable.

Carnation, Lily, Lily, Rose by John Singer Sargent
Red and green are an example of complementary colors. Look at the painting Carnation, Lily, Lily, Rose by John Singer Sargent. The reddish-pink color of the flowers really stands out against the green background. Imagine if Sargent had painted all yellow or blue flowers instead. They would just blend in with the green (ho-hum).//www.factmonster.com/ipka/A0882843.html

Complementary colors are opposite on the color wheel. Red and green, yellow and violet, blue and orange, are the three simple pairs of complementary colors. These colors always go well with each other, hence the term complimentary
//www.artsparx.com/color_complementary.asp

HBunch

HP PhotoSmart 315

10/10/2005 02:15:05 AM · #13

I saw one post today that said something like 'I thought 1 was for the best photo and 10 was the worst, i'm confused'.
That could be a good reason the best photos even get 1s. maybe the non english speaking people don't understand fully.
I know I have given low scores to ribbon winners, and I'm not at all a bad person.
If you look at the comments from the 'Overachiever' photo, some of them seem to be questioning the legality of the photo. This could be a very good reason for low scores. Maybe people thought it bordered on the verge of digital art rather than photography? Who knows.
With 'The eye'...Librodo's style is becoming widely recognizable. Maybe this enough to upset people on the breach of anonyminity? Maybe people are just getting sick and tired of the same shot, different kid. This could be an explaination for those low votes.
I'm not saying that those photos deserve a low vote, but those are both pretty valid reasons that they could have gotten the low votes.
I did not vote, so have nothing to defend or hide, just some observations.
Now, the first place in the Rule of thirds challenge didn't appeal to me personally at all. Even the photographer points out some flaws. There doesn't seem to be good focus anywhere in the photo, there's not detail in the bird, the water seems icky and the only really appealing thing in the photo is the color, which to me, doesn't warrant a very high score.
Hope this kind of answers your question/concern about the low votes on those photos. Realize that this is only one person's opinion, and I've been known to be horribly wrong before, but that's just what I see.

FotoMunki

Canon EOS-5D Mark III

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

10/10/2005 02:25:41 AM · #14

The question of "what are the real complementary colors?" has been a fun one for this challenge, with several different threads on the topic. Here's just one of them

What's funny to me is many have talked about complementary colors in "classic art". However, being a photography site, I would have thought some would note the fact that when color film negatives are developed, they use the complementary colors of blue/yellow, green/magenta, and red/cyan. But seeing as this is a "digital" photography web site - we all side stepped this fact.

By the way, I read the tea leaves in these forums and looked at Complementary Colors I and went with blue/orange (regardless of what "I" considered to be complementary colors - wasn't worth the battle).

JeffryZ

Nikon D80

Nikon AF Zoom-Nikkor 18-135mm f/3.5- 5.6G ED DX

10/10/2005 02:51:29 AM · #15

I stand corrected. I misunderstood what a complementary color was. I thought a contrasting color was opposite on the color wheel and complementary was the adjacent. I haven't voted yet so my mistake will not effect any of that. It appears I misread the definition I looked at. Thank you to those who have corrected me.

philcozz

Pentax K-5

Pentax FA 31mm f/1.8 AL Limited AF

10/10/2005 11:56:00 AM · #16

Here's a "Hidden During Voting" comment for you: "those arent complimentary colors."

Where to begin... Most obviously, the challenge is "compl-E-mentary colors" and (assuming the person just mistakenly typed an "I" rather than an "E") my colors are magenta and green. According to every color wheel I've seen (and most examples provided to make sense of complementary colors) they are DEFINITELY complementary.

So frustrating...