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10/06/2005 12:54:53 PM · #1

Is anyone else out there sick of the way the current administration continues to link 9/11 with everything from Iraq to Katrina? My stomach heaves whenever I hear Bush refer back to 9/11. There is one person responsible for the 9/11 attacks. You know where he is? Not in Iraq. Not in Katrina.

10/06/2005 12:59:02 PM · #2

How has anyone linked Katrina to 9/11?

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10/06/2005 01:06:27 PM · #3

Originally posted by thatcloudthere:

How has anyone linked Katrina to 9/11?

Subsuming FEMA under the umbrella of the HSA has been posited by quite a few people as contributing to its organizational ineffectiveness. The creation of DHS is an outgrowth of the 9/11 intelligence fiasco.

persimon

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10/06/2005 01:07:03 PM · #4

in one of his recent speeches about the hurricane aftermath, he made a remark to the effect that the only thing the terrorists had anything on Katrina is that they wish they had done it. Then he went on to remind everyone that terrorists were evil and that's why we are at war.

There are three different topics here. Mother nature, Terrorism 9/11, and Iraq. None of them have ANYTHING to do with each other.

10/06/2005 01:09:48 PM · #5

Originally posted by persimon:

There are three different topics here. Mother nature, Terrorism 9/11, and Iraq. None of them have ANYTHING to do with each other.

Ahh, unless they are tools to be used for political gain. Add "christianity" (small c, as in 'the religion') to that list. Four things that have nothing to do with each other that are being used for political gain.

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10/06/2005 01:10:31 PM · #6

Originally posted by persimon:

Have people here actually read George Orwell's 1984 or just heard of it ... it explains quite clearly what the current US administration is doing.

10/06/2005 01:13:09 PM · #7

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Have people here actually read George Orwell's 1984 or just heard of it ... it explains quite clearly what the current US administration is doing.

I agree.

I'm very much not "Democrat" nor "Republican" but hearing George Bush speak often gives me chills.

I'm still not sure whether to attribute that to his poor public speaking skills or a 'conspiracy' by the administration.

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10/06/2005 01:17:13 PM · #8

Originally posted by thatcloudthere:

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Have people here actually read George Orwell's 1984 or just heard of it ... it explains quite clearly what the current US administration is doing.

I agree.

I'm very much not "Democrat" nor "Republican" but hearing George Bush speak often gives me chills.

I'm still not sure whether to attribute that to his poor public speaking skills or a 'conspiracy' by the administration.

You don't think he writes any of that stuff, do you? I'm just amazed that such a horrible speaker would be so effective ... maybe people think it sounds like they would if they were up on the dais, and it sets up some sort of sympathetic vibrations -- or numbs people's cerebral cortex into submission.

persimon

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10/06/2005 01:19:30 PM · #9

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by persimon:
in one of his recent speeches about the hurricane aftermath, he made a remark to the effect that the only thing the terrorists had anything on Katrina is that they wish they had done it. Then he went on to remind everyone that terrorists were evil and that's why we are at war.

There are three different topics here. Mother nature, Terrorism 9/11, and Iraq. None of them have ANYTHING to do with each other.

Have people here actually read George Orwell's 1984 or just heard of it ... it explains quite clearly what the current US administration is doing.

But Pres. Bush, Why are we in Iraq?
Remember 9/11 - have to fight the evil doers and freedom haters.

But Pres. Bush, Why do you need to see my library records and sneak into my house secretly to snoop?
Remember 9/11 - have to fight the evil doers and those that hate freedom.

But Pres. Bush, Why can't Homosexuals get married?
It destsroys the fabric of our nation, just like the evil doers and freedom haters destroy democracy.

But Pres. Bush, Why is stem cell research such a bad idea?
This nation has a high regard for life inlike the terrorists and evil doers (a.k.a. freedom haters)

I could go on and on, but I am getting sick to my stomach.

10/06/2005 01:19:37 PM · #10

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by thatcloudthere:

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Have people here actually read George Orwell's 1984 or just heard of it ... it explains quite clearly what the current US administration is doing.

I agree.

I'm very much not "Democrat" nor "Republican" but hearing George Bush speak often gives me chills.

I'm still not sure whether to attribute that to his poor public speaking skills or a 'conspiracy' by the administration.

You don't think he writes any of that stuff, do you? I'm just amazed that such a horrible speaker would be so effective ... maybe people think it sounds like they would if they were up on the dais, and it sets up some sort of sympathetic vibrations -- or numbs people's cerebral cortex into submission.

Interesting point...but do you really believe the "Bushism's" are written by someone else? Clearly his speeches are written for him but it's often his "off the cuff" comments that creep me out.

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10/06/2005 02:34:37 PM · #11

I find it sad when either side uses death and destruction for political gain. Both sides seem to do it equally if you ask me.

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10/06/2005 08:07:55 PM · #12

Originally posted by louddog:

I find it sad when either side uses death and destruction for political gain. Both sides seem to do it equally if you ask me.

Interesting. Could you post some examples of how the Left does that? ( Besides doing their duty by pointing out how the right is/has been immorally causing death and destruction)

Also, perhaps the word "equally" would be an exaggeration?

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MadMordegon

10/06/2005 08:24:09 PM · #13

Read this for other perspectives on 911 Wikipedia 911 conspiracy theories and there is a TON more reference material at the bottom.

If anyone does read that, actually all of it, not just a skim through, I would be quite curious to hear their take on the information that this article shows that is NEVER touched by the main stream news in America.

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10/07/2005 07:49:48 AM · #14

Global Warming (GW) = George Bush (GW), might as well blame him for that too.

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10/07/2005 10:49:27 AM · #15

From today's editorial page:

October 7, 2005

President Bush's Major Speech: Doing the 9/11 Time Warp Again

Yesterday, the same day New Yorkers were warned there was a "specific threat" of a bombing on their subways, President Bush delivered what the White House promoted as a major address on terrorism. It seemed, on the surface, like a perfect topic for the moment. But his talk was not about the nation's current challenges. He delivered a reprise of his Sept. 11 rhetoric that suggested an avoidance of today's reality that seemed downright frightening.

The period right after 9/11, for all its pain, was the high point of the Bush presidency. Four years ago, we hung on every word when Mr. Bush denounced Al Qaeda and made the emotional - but, as it turned out, empty - vow to track down Osama bin Laden. Yesterday, it seemed as if the president was still trying to live in 2001. It was eerie to hear him urge Americans to take terrorism seriously. There wasn't any reason to worry about that even before subway riders were being told about the threat of a terrorist attack on their commute home.

He seemed to be reading from a very old and familiar script as he revealed that terrorists recruit "disillusioned young men and women," some of whom build weapons based on information available on the Internet. He shared his conviction that "it is cowardice that seeks to kill children and the elderly with car bombs." He said his team was "reforming our intelligence agency" and reorganizing government for "a broad and coordinated homeland defense."

Americans have seen the Department of Homeland Security in action for several years now, under two directors. The first, a former governor with whom the president had a good personal relationship, was an inept bureaucratic and political player who had a strange obsession with color-coded states of emergency. The current one was at the helm during the Federal Emergency Management Agency disaster in New Orleans, when that agency was overseen by an unqualified political appointee.

The administration is still trying to recover politically from Katrina. The hurricane was not just a bad stretch that could be cured by a promise of federal aid and a demonstration of presidential concern. The hurricane showed that despite four years of spinning, America is still unprepared for a catastrophe. It raised major questions about the caliber of people with whom Mr. Bush surrounds himself.

Ever since the terrorist attacks, the main thing Americans have wanted from Washington is a sense of safety. That takes more than hyperalertness to suicide bombing threats, important as that is. No matter what the terrorists are up to, it is not possible to feel safe if the federal government does not appear to know what it is doing on so many different levels.

Yesterday was an ideal moment for Mr. Bush to demonstrate that he was really in control of his administration. He could have taken any one of a number of pressing worries and demonstrated that he was on the job, re-examining the problems, working on answers. For instance, he could have addressed the crisis facing the overstretched military due to the endless demands made by Iraq on both the Army and the beleaguered National Guard.

The speech came one day after the White House threatened to veto a bill onto which the Senate added a ban on the use of "cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment" against prisoners of the American government. This president could not find the spine to veto a bloated transportation bill that included wildly wasteful projects like the now-famous "bridge to nowhere" in Alaska. What kind of priorities does that suggest? If we ever needed the president to demonstrate that he has a working understanding of exactly where he wants to take this country, we need it now.

The president's inability to grow beyond his big moment in 2001 is unnerving. But the fact that his handlers continue to encourage him to milk 9/11 is infuriating. For most of us, the memories are fresh and painful. We mourn the people who died on Sept. 11, as we mourn Daniel Pearl and other Americans, not to mention innocents from other countries, who were murdered by terrorists. The administration's penchant for using them as political cover is offensive. It threatens to turn our wounds, and our current fears, into cynical and desperate spin.

* Copyright 2005 The New York Times Company

MadMordegon

10/07/2005 12:09:42 PM · #16

Yeah its discusting.

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10/07/2005 01:40:41 PM · #17

With all the Bush administration rhetoric on the war on terror and Iraq we are seeing a tremendous growth in Al Qaeda and terrorism, despite them pumping 6 billion dollars a month into this fruitless war. Iraq stands at the brink of civil war even with the American military presence and the Iraqi government is looking more and more like a fundamentalist Muslim state with little rights for women. The Congressional Research Service states that by the end of the decade we are projected to spend over a half a TRILLION dollars on the war on terror.

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10/07/2005 02:06:14 PM · #18

Originally posted by gingerbaker:

Originally posted by louddog:
I find it sad when either side uses death and destruction for political gain. Both sides seem to do it equally if you ask me.

Interesting. Could you post some examples of how the Left does that? ( Besides doing their duty by pointing out how the right is/has been immorally causing death and destruction)

Also, perhaps the word "equally" would be an exaggeration?

Oh yeah, I forgot. The left is perfect. My bad.

Although... would falsely accusing the president of playing golf and hanging out in a posh resort while the hurricane was going on for the sole purpose of making him look bad be considered exploiting a tragedy? (you did that in another thread).
I would, since he did not play golf and he was only in AZ for 2 hours to give a speach at a trailor park retirement community (which is far from a posh resort). You exagerated what he was doing during a disaster for no other reason then to make him look bad. Seems like exploiting to me.

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10/12/2005 11:32:32 AM · #19

So,louddog, you can't show examples of the left using the disgusting tactics of the the Republicans, then.

Surprise, surprise.

All you can do is take me to task for saying that Bush was not PLAYING golf at a - yes - fancy golf resort - but was merely wasting time making a political speech at a fancy golf resort.

While New Orleans sank.

Originally posted by louddog:

You exagerated what he was doing during a disaster for no other reason then to make him look bad.

Bush looks bad all by himself, louddog.

I made an honest mistake - all the available accounts say he played golf. You claim he didn't - that all he did was talk. Neither of us has proof.

But YOU tried to paint The Left as having the same filthy ethics as the Rebublicans who are in power now.

When I called you on it, you seem to use the same tactics as the people you constantly defend - smear the character of anyone who speaks truth to your lies.

Are you a graduate of Karl Rove University? :D

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10/12/2005 12:18:12 PM · #20

Originally posted by gingerbaker:

But YOU tried to paint The Left as having the same filthy ethics as the Rebublicans who are in power now.

Are you a graduate of Karl Rove University? :D

There's also Vernon Jordan University
...the school motto is "Deny, Deny, Deny"

Neither side has any interest, whatsoever in the truth. Or what's right for that matter.

I'd be a fool if I thought, my State Senator, Hillary Clinton would ever make a decision or place a vote, in my best interest, before she took a long, long look at how it would effect her or her carreer first.

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10/12/2005 01:25:23 PM · #21

Originally posted by gingerbaker:

I made an honest mistake - all the available accounts say he played golf. You claim he didn't - that all he did was talk. Neither of us has proof.

He was in Phoenix for two hours.

I can't prove he didn't play golf, I can't prove he didn't scratch his balls either. I can prove that he gave a speach at a trailer park starting at 10am and was on a plane to California before noon. if you can give this speach //www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/08/20050829-5.html and play around of golf and drive back to Luke Air Force base in 2 hours I'll buy you a beer.
You made the mistake of taking a left wing news source as the truth.

Originally posted by gingerbaker:

But YOU tried to paint The Left as having the same filthy ethics as the Rebublicans who are in power now.

Lying about what someone did during a national tragety to smear someone is filthy in my book. Left or right.

Originally posted by gingerbaker:

When I called you on it, you seem to use the same tactics as the people you constantly defend

What did you call me out on? You asked for an example, I gave you an example. You simply disagree with my definition of exploitation. And who am I defending? I said both sides do it. I never defended Bush on your claims???? He exploits 911 all the time. I don't deny that. He does lots of things I don't like. I'm not as loyal a Bush supporter as you assume.

Originally posted by gingerbaker:

smear the character of anyone who speaks truth to your lies.

Where did I lie? Where did you tell the truth? Where did I smear you? Go way back to the thread where you made the golf claim, I'll dig it up for you if you can't find it. I said that you are getting bad information form your sources and suggested you look at the accuracy of your sources. I smeared your sources and said you should re-consider believeing them.

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10/12/2005 01:28:43 PM · #22

Originally posted by gingerbaker:

Bush looks bad all by himself

I actually agree with you on that.

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10/13/2005 01:08:32 AM · #23

Originally posted by louddog:

Where did I lie? Where did you tell the truth? Where did I smear you?

The thread is about Bush exploiting 9/11.

You said yeah, but the The Left does it just as much as the the right. I asked you to give examples of the The Left exploiting death and destruction.

All you gave was as an example was how I supposedly smeared Gerge Bush about playing golf.

Where do you get off saying The Left exploits death and destruction as much as the Republicans do?

Now, if you said that I personally get off exploiting the golfing habits of country club Republicans, then you would have me dead to rights.

But you know what? I say this: The Left is NOT as bad as the Republicans.

They are NOT as dishonest.

They are not as greedy.

They are not as bigotted.

They are not as organized, or tough, or disciplined either. In fact, they are a bunch of generally good-hearted sissies.

But at least they HAVE hearts.

mpemberton

10/13/2005 01:28:07 AM · #24

Originally posted by gingerbaker:

Originally posted by louddog:
Where did I lie? Where did you tell the truth? Where did I smear you?

The thread is about Bush exploiting 9/11.

You said yeah, but the The Left does it just as much as the the right. I asked you to give examples of the The Left exploiting death and destruction.

All you gave was as an example was how I supposedly smeared Gerge Bush about playing golf.

Where do you get off saying The Left exploits death and destruction as much as the Republicans do?

Now, if you said that I personally get off exploiting the golfing habits of country club Republicans, then you would have me dead to rights.

But you know what? I say this: The Left is NOT as bad as the Republicans.

They are NOT as dishonest.

They are not as greedy.

They are not as bigotted.

They are not as organized, or tough, or disciplined either. In fact, they are a bunch of generally good-hearted sissies.

But at least they HAVE hearts.

LOL. The heart is a wonderful thing. The American people have it, but the people in government do not. High time American people took back the government, after all it is your right under the Constitution.