Should Turkey be allowed membership in the EU?

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10/06/2005 12:20:24 PM · #1

Why or why not? Discuss.

Beagleboy

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10/06/2005 01:52:42 PM · #2

Nah, a turkey is a big, dumb, almost flightless bird. It doesn't even come close of meeting EU requirements.

On the more serious side, I am in no way an expert on Turkey, but I don't think it should be allowed into the EU until it respects human rights on a consistent basis. There still seems to be a few horror stories out there I think.

pawdrix

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10/06/2005 01:57:22 PM · #3

I think that it should be allowed into the EU because it taste so good.

I also think that Europeans would be happy if it entered in with a nice Apple Tarte topped with Creme Fraiche and a warm Sauce Armangnac.

10/06/2005 01:57:55 PM · #4

Im in no way an expert on Turkey either. But I think that the majority of turkey is muslim which culturally doesnt seem to fit what Europe is about. They also have a large population so they would sway many decisions in their favour if they were in the EU.

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10/06/2005 02:03:57 PM · #5

Originally posted by Damian:

Now that's a creepy statement that seems very right-wing German, I think...they don't fit what Europe is about? Don't you think Europe would be much better of if historically 'Muslim' countries and historically 'Christian' countries worked together?

mpemberton

10/06/2005 02:21:27 PM · #6

Yes Turkey should be part of the EU.

bpickard

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10/06/2005 02:40:47 PM · #7

Originally posted by Damian:

I see you list Poland as one of your locations in your profile. Seems that you have forgotten that Poland was in Turkey's position in the very recent past?

As for human rights, the best way to improve the situation is from within the EU. There are religious-based problems in Turkey associated with, for instance, the provision of healthcare for women but, again, these are matters which can be addressed. Turkish Islam is not connected directly to government unlike most middle eastern countries so there can be rational discourse between it and the other EU countries. Just my opinion.

Riponlady

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10/06/2005 02:43:06 PM · #8

Quite frankly, Turkey is welcome to join the EU! I just want to get the UK out!!!
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riot

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10/06/2005 03:01:22 PM · #9

Originally posted by Riponlady:

Quite frankly, Turkey is welcome to join the EU! I just want to get the UK out!!!
P

Ditto to that!

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10/06/2005 04:46:02 PM · #10

Originally posted by thatcloudthere:

Originally posted by Damian:
Im in no way an expert on Turkey either. But I think that the majority of turkey is muslim which culturally doesnt seem to fit what Europe is about. They also have a large population so they would sway many decisions in their favour if they were in the EU.

Now that's a creepy statement that seems very right-wing German, I think...they don't fit what Europe is about? Don't you think Europe would be much better of if historically 'Muslim' countries and historically 'Christian' countries worked together?

Please do not suggest me as right wing German since you can obviously see what nationality I am.

Obviously Europe has different needs than a mostly Muslim nation, many things would go Turkeys way in the voting since they have such a large population.

Yes, I believe it would be better if Turkey and Europe had the same goals, but everyone looks after themselves. And I do believe it would be great if they both worked together in the past but stuff like this seemed to happen.

Battle of Vienna

Message edited by author 2005-10-06 16:54:29.

jonr

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10/06/2005 05:04:29 PM · #11

Not until they stop harassing the Kurds. There have been some iffy imprisonments and other type of dubious actions on behalf of the Turkish government.
(Not that the Kurds have been any better, with terrorist tactics)

Googled:
//www.fas.org/asmp/profiles/turkey_background_kurds.htm
//www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L0654213.htm

KaDi

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10/06/2005 05:15:47 PM · #12

Originally posted by Damian:

Obviously Europe has different needs than a mostly Muslim nation, many things would go Turkeys way in the voting since they have such a large population.

Turkey is a secular country, not a muslim one. Kemal Ataturk took care of that about 70 years ago when he restructured the nation. Turkey is, in part, on the European Continent and shares many "Western" ideals.

Should it join the EU? If it meets the appropriate standards, why not? After all, the EU let in Spain, and they're *gasp* mostly Catholic! (Not to forget how incredibly un-advanced they have been for most of the last century concerning elder-care, and women's rights to name a couple.)

10/06/2005 06:20:04 PM · #13

Originally posted by Damian:

Originally posted by thatcloudthere:
Now that's a creepy statement that seems very right-wing German, I think...

Please do not suggest me as right wing German since you can obviously see what nationality I am.

I didn't suggest you as anything, I commented on your statement...it literally sounds like the position of the right-wing German government (unless I've misunderstood your position or Angela Merkel's). Look it up!

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10/06/2005 06:28:33 PM · #14

Originally posted by thatcloudthere:

Originally posted by Damian:

Originally posted by thatcloudthere:
Now that's a creepy statement that seems very right-wing German, I think...

Please do not suggest me as right wing German since you can obviously see what nationality I am.

I didn't suggest you as anything, I commented on your statement...it literally sounds like the position of the right-wing German government (unless I've misunderstood your position or Angela Merkel's). Look it up!

It surely sounded like a suggestion. Either way, I'm Polish, the complete opposite of what a right wing German is.

photodude

10/06/2005 06:31:39 PM · #15

No Way!!!!

All Islamic nations and their citizens must be isolated and quarantined so the rest of the world can live in peace

KaDi

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10/06/2005 06:37:31 PM · #16

Originally posted by Damian:

It surely sounded like a suggestion. Either way, I'm Polish, the complete opposite of what a right wing German is.

Yup! Opposite....Germany in as a full member.
8 more years (like it or not) Poland in as a full member.
(Would someone please lock the door behind them?)

10/06/2005 06:44:03 PM · #17

Originally posted by Damian:

It surely sounded like a suggestion. Either way, I'm Polish, the complete opposite of what a right wing German is.

That's fantastic. Don't let that blind you from reading what I was really saying.

In this case you happen to show some agreement with a right-wing German...no big deal.

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10/06/2005 06:45:52 PM · #18

Originally posted by thatcloudthere:

Originally posted by Damian:
It surely sounded like a suggestion. Either way, I'm Polish, the complete opposite of what a right wing German is.

That's fantastic. Don't let that blind you from reading what I was really saying.

In this case you happen to show some agreement with a right-wing German...no big deal.

And I simply said the interests of Asia and Europe are different.

Riponlady

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10/06/2005 06:52:28 PM · #19

Originally posted by photodude:

No Way!!!!

All Islamic nations and their citizens must be isolated and quarantined so the rest of the world can live in peace

Please tell me this is a joke or just a way to stir up arguments!!
:(

10/06/2005 06:58:02 PM · #20

Originally posted by Damian:

And I simply said the interests of Asia and Europe are different.

Damian, then why are you offended by my pointing out that "what you simply said" is the same as "what Angela simply said"?