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09/25/2005 10:40:17 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by viajero:
I think "gross" is a constructive comment. It tells you that viewer was bothered by your image. Mabye that's what you wanted, maybe not, but at least you know how someone reacted. |
While it may be true that the comment may give you an indication of the "feelings" of the viewer, it gives you not one scintilla of information as to what it is about the photo that the viewer dislikes, nor does it address some of the critical issues at hand, namely DOF, technical difficulty, Bokeh and other related matters.
It is akin to you asking someone "What time is it" and having them respond: "You're ugly". While it may be true that you are indeed ugly, you still have no idea as to what time it is.
Just a thought.
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09/25/2005 10:53:29 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by viajero:
I think "gross" is a constructive comment. It tells you that viewer was bothered by your image. Mabye that's what you wanted, maybe not, but at least you know how someone reacted. |
While it may be true that the comment may give you an indication of the "feelings" of the viewer, it gives you not one scintilla of information as to what it is about the photo that the viewer dislikes, nor does it address some of the critical issues at hand, namely DOF, technical difficulty, Bokeh and other related matters.
It is akin to you asking someone "What time is it" and having them respond: "You're ugly". While it may be true that you are indeed ugly, you still have no idea as to what time it is.
Just a thought.
Ray |
I have to agree with viajero on this one. If the comment is simply "gross" then the commentor is clearly saying they find the photo gross, and not the photog. In that case, it IS a constructive comment, since it tells the photog how people perceive their result. Perhaps that reaction is what they were going for, perhaps not. In any case it informs, and therefore is constructive. Not eloquent, perhaps, but that's another matter...
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09/25/2005 11:02:01 PM · #28 |
I would disagree Kirbic.....for the very reasons I referred to. The term gross has no redeeming values relative to the photographic aspect of the debate, but rather deals with the feelings of the individual.
I have no problems with a person stating that in their opinion the photo is gross, but a comment of this nature does nothing to provide anything closely resembling a "constructive" comment, which at the moment is the gist of this discussion.
The mere fact that either someone believes comments of this ilk to be constructive does NOT necessarily make it so.
It would seem that in this instance we agree to disagree.... and I have no problems with that.
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09/25/2005 11:03:41 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by madison461:
... vote under a bag ... why is that an option ... ? |
There are those who prefer not to have their images challenged -- "no bad comments please." Likewise, there are those who do not wish to have their comments challenged -- "no responses please!"
In effect they put themselves in a dark room with a bunch of others and each make one remark -- then turn on the light to see who they were talking to. It makes no sense to me either -- what's the point of saying something if you are not willing to be seen as the one saying it?
I suppose it would be empowering to be able to say something to someone and that person not be able to respond. **shrug** Let them have their fun; as long as it's harmless it's all good -- and if it's not harmless the SC should be notified (bagged or not).
David
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09/25/2005 11:10:20 PM · #30 |
Is there anyone here who can answer me a quick question about membership?
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09/25/2005 11:12:35 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by Noggin:
Is there anyone here who can answer me a quick question about membership? |
I am positive there is... perhaps you could ask the question or PM a member of the SC. |
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09/25/2005 11:24:04 PM · #32 |
I have addressed my displeasure with the hidden voter before. It is a feauture that favored those that wish to hide during voting and the main reason is to avoid a string of pm's that may prove disturbing.
I argued that if this feature is implemented to hide the voter than why not give me the option to hide all comments coming from these voters. I want visibility with those that identify themselves but not with the hidden voter.
It is true that not all hidden voters make bad comments. However, they are hid and they throw either a stone or a gift through your window and all you can do is stare at the apparition with or without pleasure. Yes, at the end they reveal their identity and here lies my complaint. The site has favored the voters who seek this refuge. I am sorry, but i do not feel that is within the realm of fair play. I do heavy commenting and i have learned that the way you say something is very important and besides I can take care of myself in defusing a rude pm because of one of my comments, but then I aim to be very tactful.
I am not writing this to have anyone rethink this. I can live with whatever rules a minority of a group come up with. For example, I realized the burden placed on the s/c to validate images. Everytime I requested a validation it did not arrive until well after the first 100 votes so I have stopped making images that require validation. My voice is too small as a member to affectuate what I consider a needed change and so I will reduce my input into challenges which involve an image that requires validation. In the same way, I live with the hidden voter as part of DPC.
While some offer formidable arguments for the hidden voters I really see no true need. If i give you a comment, I would like you to know it came from me the moment I made it. If this courtesy is temporarily denied by the hidden voter I live with it but then I give the comment no weight at all and I am not even curious as to who made it even though the comment may have been favorable. No attitude here but I believe in fair play all the way through. I identify myself and i expect my commentators to identify themselves. I know, I sound ridiculous but strict logic tells me I am right. |
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09/25/2005 11:48:47 PM · #33 |
Daniel,
I respect your view, but find that I must disagree. If one receives a comment, it should not matter from whom it comes, what matters is the content.
I personally have my preferences set to hide the identities of all commentors until after voting ends. I find that this forces me to look at the comments in an unbiased fashion.
I also have chosen anonymity for my own comments, as I value the anonymity of the voting process. Any PMs that come my way as a result of comments will inevitably compromise that anonymity. I feel that my comments stand on their own merit. Of what value to the person receiving it is the fact that it comes from me? Should that make the comment less or more valuable? I think not.
While there are a few who take advantage of the temporary anonymity to leave useless or inflammatory comments, they are a very small minority, and can be dealt with if the users receiving those comments report the comments (they are not anonymous to the SC).
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09/26/2005 09:24:13 AM · #34 |
I have to agree with kirbic, whenever i read my comments i find myself looking forward to the baghead ones the most - they are usually the most thoughtful and helpful comments, rather than the usual "nice shot" crap. I've never received a completely unhelpful or rude comment from a baghead before, but if i did i would have no problem with waiting until the challenge ends and confronting them about it.
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09/28/2005 03:59:40 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by conglett:
Originally posted by madison461:
Originally posted by jellyoooo:
all you have to do is respect them and dont ask Y... |
I don't have to respect anyone but if they earn my respect then I give it freely. Constructive, useful comments are welcome and considered always. |
Ba dum bum.
Out of curiosity, if you are so concerned about lack of anonymity why don't you post your own picture in your profile - rather than a cartoon? Isn't that the same thing you are condemning? |
You know, I never thought about that!
I like the green M&M...she's cute and round!
Truth be known, I spend my time behind the camera, rather than in front of it. But, if a photo of ME makes me more "credible" I will work on getting one up ASAP.
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09/28/2005 04:18:59 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by riot:
I have to agree with kirbic, whenever i read my comments i find myself looking forward to the baghead ones the most - they are usually the most thoughtful and helpful comments, rather than the usual "nice shot" crap. I've never received a completely unhelpful or rude comment from a baghead before, but if i did i would have no problem with waiting until the challenge ends and confronting them about it. |
I find this to be generally true as well, although a couple times I've had bagheads leave REALLY stupid or aggressive comments and then EDIT them to something innocuous before the challenge results were revealed...
No skin off my nose regardless. I don't care.
R.
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