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09/19/2005 11:34:24 PM · #51 |
Originally posted by mesmeraj:
I'm pregnant
And yes - people DO buy those obscure cards. Mostly grandmothers ;) |
hmm, I guess there were some exceptions. ;)
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09/20/2005 02:29:57 PM · #52 |
I've already ticked people off in another thread, so I'll jump in and add this to my list today.
I agree that titles DO matter, sometimes more than others. In this particular contest, it will HAVE to matter. You can take a wonderfully artistic photograph of a dead cat in the middle of the road, but are you going to put that under PURIM or President's Day? Well, I guess you could and I might laugh and give you extra points, but you get my point. |
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09/20/2005 03:03:18 PM · #53 |
Originally posted by Jutilda:
You can take a wonderfully artistic photograph of a dead cat in the middle of the road, but are you going to put that under PURIM or President's Day? Well, I guess you could and I might laugh and give you extra points, but you get my point. |
Condolenses (on the loss of your pet cat)
;-)
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09/20/2005 03:18:12 PM · #54 |
i have some original.. i think the key in this challenge would be the name you give your photo:
WELCOME TO HEAVEN
WELCOME TO HELL
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09/20/2005 03:53:07 PM · #55 |
I know that since I can't enter this challenge I really don't have a dog in this fight but I do in regards to other challenges. There is rarely a time when the title really is needed in these challenges BUT in this one it is I think important as pointed out by the dead cat post...BUT again I don't think it would be right to vote down if someone used a title like maybe "With great joy we introduce our new baby" instead of maybe "It's a Boy!". Both tell what section the card would be in, just the second is easier to put on those cards in the shop.
I feel that as long as someone refers (where have I seen that word before-oh yeah the description) to the section it is in it should be fine and not be nit-picked so badly.
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09/20/2005 04:35:56 PM · #56 |
Originally posted by sabphoto:
I know that since I can't enter this challenge I really don't have a dog in this fight but I do in regards to other challenges. There is rarely a time when the title really is needed in these challenges BUT in this one it is I think important as pointed out by the dead cat post...BUT again I don't think it would be right to vote down if someone used a title like maybe "With great joy we introduce our new baby" instead of maybe "It's a Boy!". Both tell what section the card would be in, just the second is easier to put on those cards in the shop.
I feel that as long as someone refers (where have I seen that word before-oh yeah the description) to the section it is in it should be fine and not be nit-picked so badly. |
Scott - I had to laugh out loud. That would be QUITE funny. |
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09/20/2005 04:39:27 PM · #57 |
I personally don't let the title requirements of a challenge affect my scoring of a photo, but every time a challenge that says "your title should..." comes along, we have this debate. Then people say that the rules don't say "must" so it isn't really a requirement.
The word "should" is used as a command, not a suggestion. It denotes a requirement or obligation and yes, if you look it up in the thesaurus it is a synonym for "must." Here's a little anecdote to demonstrate this. I recently took an exam where I was asked to explain the process of DNA replication. The professor also wrote "You're answer should include the processes for both strands." That was not a suggestion.
Ok, that was my little semantics rant. Oh, and if we want to stop all this bickering, there is a simple solution: tell the administrators to quit putting in little title requirements when the focus should be on the photograph and when they know it will cause such a ruckus.
Now let's all give each other a kiss and make up.
Message edited by author 2005-09-21 16:17:58.
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09/20/2005 07:26:38 PM · #58 |
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09/20/2005 07:43:54 PM · #59 |
Refer:
To pertain; concern:
To make mention or reference
This the definition of "REFER". So when it say it sould Refer; Then as long as we know what they are conveying it's okay. Right?
For a bunch of artist, don't you think this is being alittle petty.
Name the Picture What Ever You Want. I personally will vote on how well the PICTURE was done. Not how well the TITLE was done.
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09/20/2005 08:21:15 PM · #60 |
Originally posted by homegrown863:
...I personally will vote on how well the PICTURE was done. Not how well the TITLE was done. |
Well, yes - a good picture IS important. I agree. Now if you read the long descriptive title and say "Oh - I get it", then that is the point at which it becomes an uneven playing field.
Those that followed the rules and used a simple title as pointed out in the challenge description MUST make the photo do the work, rather than the title.
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09/20/2005 08:23:23 PM · #61 |
Sticking to the challenge's suggested titles makes this very challenging!
Relying on descriptive and wordy titles to make sense of the image requires less creativity on the part of the photographer. I will vote higher for the creative entries with a plain section title! |
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09/20/2005 08:33:40 PM · #62 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by homegrown863:
...I personally will vote on how well the PICTURE was done. Not how well the TITLE was done. |
Well, yes - a good picture IS important. I agree. Now if you read the long descriptive title and say "Oh - I get it", then that is the point at which it becomes an uneven playing field.
Those that followed the rules and used a simple title as pointed out in the challenge description MUST make the photo do the work, rather than the title. |
Agreed, The picture must do the work, but to go as far as to limit titles? This I think is rediculous. Sometimes a creative title makes the differnce in the world. And to mark someones Photo low becuase it doesn't fit our streamline, unimaginative, conforming minds is unnecessary. We has artist should support originality.
However, if it takes you a paragraph to tell the viewer whats going on then you need to reevaluate.
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09/20/2005 10:37:25 PM · #63 |
You are missing the entire point. We are talking about a challenge, not just posting a photo. I agree that descriptive titles are helpful, I also think a photo should be able to stand on it's own...but that is beside the point.
The challenge 'Greeting Cards' is what we are talking about. It is a challenge with rules - call it a game, a contest, whatever helps to visualize the point that there are rules/guidelines that the participants are expected to follow.
Part of the rules/guidelines for this challenge IS to limit the title. I'm pretty sure that's on purpose. Make the PHOTOGRAPH do the talking, not some drawn out descriptive title.
I know I plan on playing by the rules for this challenge. If I want to get creative and "original" for this challenge I'll do so with the camera, not words. I hope that those who "support originality", as you say, will look for images not words - and support those who follow the rules, and ping those who don't.
Originally posted by homegrown863:
Agreed, The picture must do the work, but to go as far as to limit titles? This I think is rediculous. Sometimes a creative title makes the differnce in the world. And to mark someones Photo low becuase it doesn't fit our streamline, unimaginative, conforming minds is unnecessary. We has artist should support originality.
However, if it takes you a paragraph to tell the viewer whats going on then you need to reevaluate. |
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09/20/2005 11:10:18 PM · #64 |
Your title should refer to the section the card would appear in the store, i.e. Birthday, Anniversary, Friendship, Sympathy, etc.
In this context, "should" denotes a requirement; a title that does not include the appropriate section of the store's rack is not meeting the challenge. See the preceding example of a Biology exam where the professor says "You answer should include "A" and "B".
In this context, "refer" is much more wide open. It doesn't say "Your title should consist ONLY of the section in the store's rack", it says you must REFER to that section. Thus, see the example of the photograph of a roadkill cat and the title "Condolences on the loss of your pet". This title, to me, would be a prototype for an excellent title in this challenge.
To those who say titles aren't important or even relevant, that may often be true but not in this challenge: the challenge topic is specifically title-driven. That's our CHALLENGE, folks; take a picture, tell people where it belongs in the greeting-card store, and let folks judge how well it fits in, OK?
Robt.
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09/20/2005 11:12:31 PM · #65 |
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
I'll make it easy for everyone. I've compiled a list from Hallmark's categories....
:-P
Holidays
Jewish New Year
Sweetest Day
National Boss Day
Halloween
Diwali
Eid al-Fitr
Veterans Day
Thanksgiving
Christmas
Hanukkah
Kwanzaa
New Year's
Valentine's Day
St. Patrick's Day
Easter
Passover
Admin. Professionals Day
Nurses Day
Mother's Day
Father's Day
Graduation
Patriotic
Grandparents Day
Birthday
Anyone
Humor
Family
Friend
Belated
Kids
Love and Spouse
Special Occasions
Anniversary
Graduation
New Baby
Wedding - Engagement
Baptism
Bar & Bat Mitzvah
Confirmation - Communion
Retirement
Just Because
Blank
Congratulations
Friendship
Love
Assortment Packs
Hi - Hello
New Home
Patriotic
Thank You
Thinking Of You
General
Get Well
Sympathy
Thank You
Care and Concern |
Where is:
Glad you are dead. WERES THE MONEY? |
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09/20/2005 11:18:27 PM · #66 |
| ok thanks for the list but does our title have to come from an actual category(birthday) or sub category or both.. like "funny birthday" or just "birthday"? |
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09/20/2005 11:30:16 PM · #67 |
I wouldn't have a problem with made-up categories; could be funny. "Divorce Anniversary" comes to mind :-) I won't be using that, so feel free...
R.
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09/20/2005 11:42:17 PM · #68 |
I'm sorry, but this whole discussion is moot. Now stop reading and go raise my "Conspiracy" score to the ten you all know it should be!
(And take off those damn tinfoil beanies so I can send you the title.)
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09/20/2005 11:53:02 PM · #69 |
Ha ha ha...lol thomaspeople.
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09/21/2005 08:03:09 AM · #70 |
Thanks Robert - Well said. Sorry for the delay in response - busy this morning! ;^)
Originally posted by bear_music:
Your title should refer to the section the card would appear in the store, i.e. Birthday, Anniversary, Friendship, Sympathy, etc.
In this context, "should" denotes a requirement; a title that does not include the appropriate section of the store's rack is not meeting the challenge. See the preceding example of a Biology exam where the professor says "You answer should include "A" and "B".
In this context, "refer" is much more wide open. It doesn't say "Your title should consist ONLY of the section in the store's rack", it says you must REFER to that section. Thus, see the example of the photograph of a roadkill cat and the title "Condolences on the loss of your pet". This title, to me, would be a prototype for an excellent title in this challenge.
To those who say titles aren't important or even relevant, that may often be true but not in this challenge: the challenge topic is specifically title-driven. That's our CHALLENGE, folks; take a picture, tell people where it belongs in the greeting-card store, and let folks judge how well it fits in, OK?
Robt. |
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09/21/2005 10:30:36 AM · #71 |
Originally posted by Jutilda:
I've already ticked people off in another thread, so I'll jump in and add this to my list today.
I agree that titles DO matter, sometimes more than others. In this particular contest, it will HAVE to matter. You can take a wonderfully artistic photograph of a dead cat in the middle of the road, but are you going to put that under PURIM or President's Day? Well, I guess you could and I might laugh and give you extra points, but you get my point. |
Yup I agree, titles do matter but the unceasing discussion of how the title should be presented. Come on SC's if there is an intent then limit it more ... something like no more than two words or use the "must and only". But alas, this is what dpc is all about argueing about how and what a title should say or not say. My intent was simply ... photography with it's good, bad and ugly. How well does the photo represent the challenge not more on how good of an author or poet or Lyricist you are.
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09/21/2005 10:45:01 AM · #72 |
Grrrrrr.... I am so torn after reading this. I seriously came up with the best idea that I have ever had last night for this challenge. It's going to require a bit of setup, but I should be able to execute. Now here is my problem; Although I could easily classify my picture into a category and it would be easy to see from the pic where it belongs.... it would have SOOOOOOOO much more of an impact with a longer title (still witht he category in the name).
Hmmmmm......
I may have to take my chances with this one. I think the Time Capsule Challenge proved that titles don't matter THAT much. |
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09/21/2005 10:52:12 AM · #73 |
Why? Are you saying that your photo can't stand by itself? You need to tell the viewers what it is via excess words in the title?
You rule bender you! ;^)
Originally posted by JayWalk:
Grrrrrr.... I am so torn after reading this. I seriously came up with the best idea that I have ever had last night for this challenge. It's going to require a bit of setup, but I should be able to execute. Now here is my problem; Although I could easily classify my picture into a category and it would be easy to see from the pic where it belongs.... it would have SOOOOOOOO much more of an impact with a longer title (still witht he category in the name).
Hmmmmm......
I may have to take my chances with this one. I think the Time Capsule Challenge proved that titles don't matter THAT much. |
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09/21/2005 10:57:16 AM · #74 |
Ha, no not at all. My picture is still going to ribbon despite how I word my title, it would just have MUCH more of an impact with 3 extra words (including the category).
:p
I think I may be a rebel and fight the man on this one! Bring on the 1's! :) |
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09/21/2005 11:06:59 AM · #75 |
Originally posted by JayWalk:
Ha, no not at all. My picture is still going to ribbon despite how I word my title, it would just have MUCH more of an impact with 3 extra words (including the category).
:p
I think I may be a rebel and fight the man on this one! Bring on the 1's! :) |
I agree with bearmusic's post above. I think you should add those three extra words, just put a space-hyphen-space between the 'category' and the three words. If people vote you down for that I'll beat them up for you.
:-)
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