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Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

09/17/2005 11:12:36 PM · #1

I already have Photoshop Elements 3.0 on my computer. I got that when I first got the Panasonic FZ20. I just got the 20D today and I'm assuming I do still need to load the software that says, "EOS Digital Solution Disk Ver. 9.1 (right?). Do I still need to load the one that says "Digital Photo Professional Ver. 1.6 since I have PS Elem. 3? And isn't my PS Elem. 3 better than the PS Elem 2.0 that came with the camera? So I can just ignore that one, right?
Thanks!

Beetle

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

09/17/2005 11:14:22 PM · #2

Personally, I don't use either of them, but PS CS2.
Guess I need to add that I get the photos off the card via card reader, and I like to use zoombrowser to do the first lot of sorting out before I move onto other programs.
Oh and congrats on your new camera :-)

Message edited by author 2005-09-17 23:16:03.

Bear_Music

Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra

Sony 24-70mm F4 Vario-Tessar T* FE OSS

09/17/2005 11:24:13 PM · #3

"EOS Digital Solution" disk has some useful stuff on it. Including a very easy-to-use, simplified RAW editor that I recommend to you for your first explorations of RAW. It also has the "EOS Viewer Utility" that allows you to view and organize your captures.

"Digital Photo Professional" is a more complex and versatile RAW editor. You need to be running Windows XP to install and use it; the other works on earlier versions of windows as well. I'm still stuck in Windows Millennium Edition so I can't use the second.

Neither of these is comparable to Elements, which is an image-editing program. But if you want to work from RAW (and you should at least play with it) you'll need a RAW editor to adjust & convert your captures into TIFF, because Elements doesn't have RAW functionality.

Robt.

Message edited by author 2005-09-17 23:24:50.

PhantomEWO

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM

09/17/2005 11:26:18 PM · #4

I couldn't believe that Canon was still sending Elements 2 with a new $1500 camera also. I called them and was told it was just expensive for them to keep up with the new versions. I also use PS CS2 and Adobe Bridge to transfer photos. The newest upgrade version of Windows XP now will show RAW files also. I was using the EOS View software to transfer but not any more. Lots of options available. Good luck.

Sony 24-70mm F4 Vario-Tessar T* FE OSS

09/17/2005 11:29:02 PM · #5

So, would I load the EOS Digital Solution" disk & the "Digital Photo Professional and use that only if I'm using RAW and if I'm not using RAW, then use the Elements 3? I already have a bunch of photos orginized in the Elem. 3 program. Oh, I do have Windows XP. (ok, off to bed, I'll check back in tomorrow! thanks!)

Bear_Music

Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra

09/18/2005 01:12:25 AM · #6

Originally posted by pianomom:

That's about it, yeah. You're gonna keep using Elements 'cuz that's your current full-featured editor. If you want to work with RAW, you'll use one of the two converters Canon supplies and then after you've twiddled the RAW you'll save it to a destination folder as a TIFF, which Elements will recognize. This is my workflow, as PS 7.0 doesn't accept RAW directly.

Even many people who have CS2 still prefer to work with a dedicated RAW converter (RSE or Bibble seem popular) and export the converted file to the destination folder.

I highly recommend the simpler RAW converter in the first disk (The EOS Viewer Utility, it's called) for yoru first forays into RTAW because it's very simple and intuitive to use. Once you get the hanf of it, you can move to the more complex converter if you like.

What will it do for you? You can adjust your exposure (rescue the highlights, most notably), your contrast, your white balance (a REAL plus for RAW), your color saturation, and your sharpness. All this in one informative panel, at one time, watching the interactions of these things as you twiddle, histogram included for your viewing pleasure, and THEN you export to Elements a nicely-tuned image that needs but minor tweaking in hue/sat and selective color, usually. Plus, of course, whatever further-out PS manipualtion you wish to apply.

It's a really smooth workflow. Life got a LOT easier for me when I went to RAW, much to my surprise.

Robt.

undieyatch

Olympus E-10

Canon EF-S 10-22mm f/3.5-4.5 USM

09/18/2005 01:59:33 AM · #7

adobe elements camera raw plug

This converter should work well in Elements. As for ps 7, there is also a adobe converter plug available..... I think this link....

Photoshop

Bear_Music

Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra

Sony 24-70mm F4 Vario-Tessar T* FE OSS

09/18/2005 02:16:28 AM · #8

Originally posted by undieyatch:

adobe elements camera raw plug

This converter should work well in Elements. As for ps 7, there is also a adobe converter plug available..... I think this link....

Photoshop

Oh, yeah? I didn't know that...

R.

Appears to require CS2, the page leads to Camera Raw software and I don't think (or see anywhere) that 7.0 supports it.

Message edited by author 2005-09-18 02:21:06.

undieyatch

Olympus E-10

Canon EF-S 10-22mm f/3.5-4.5 USM

09/18/2005 02:45:39 AM · #9

Install the converters in Automate...... There may be an issue with the 20d in ps7 with the most current adobe converter plug. I'd say try 3.1 and see if it works. I thought I heard version 3.0 ??? works if you can find it. Also try 2.4...... some one else may have more info... I thought I saw a thread covering this on dpc a while back.

error.... forget "install in automate" been a while since I used ps7 I've got my my raw file in cs in file formats..... and think thats where it is in ps7 too. ps7 certianly supports adobe raw plugs, very convenient. Are you making any progress?

Message edited by author 2005-09-18 03:07:08.

Canon RF 24-70mm f/2.8 L IS

09/19/2005 08:29:40 PM · #10

Ok, now I'm confused. Do I need some sort of "converter" as well as the disks labeled "Digital Solution" & "Digital Photo Professional "?

kirbic

Canon EOS R5

09/19/2005 08:36:49 PM · #11

Originally posted by pianomom:

Ok, now I'm confused. Do I need some sort of "converter" as well as the disks labeled "Digital Solution" & "Digital Photo Professional "?

You only need a converter for RAW files, and as posted above, the Canon software (Digital Photo Professional) is a good way to start with RAW. IMO you should stick with you current PS Elements as youir editor.

Canon EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS

09/19/2005 08:40:09 PM · #12

So the software that came with the camera has the converter in it? Sorry, I've never done anything with RAW cause my FZ20 didn't do RAW. So, I'm totally in the dark.

awpollard

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

09/19/2005 08:55:02 PM · #13

(Windows XP) If you plan on connecting your 20D directly to your computer via the included USB cable to upload pictures...Yes you need to load at least the (WIA) Driver for windows to recognize the camera. (I do not suggest doing it this way as it is very slow...but if you don't have a card reader than you have not choice).

If you want to connect your 20D via the included usb camera to take pictures from the computer (you can set almost everything on the camera from the PC, AF and release the shutter) kind of like an expensive remote but I was using it for self ports the other day and is kind of cool... Has a bulb shutter release and time elapsed shooting and all pictures are written directly to the PC. Yes you would want to load Canon EOS Viewer and Canon Capture.

Photostitch is also on the Digital Solutions.

As to Canon Digital Photo Professional (made me a raw convert) it is so easy to create recipes and batch process files it isn't funny. Does Levels and Curves, color channels and crops for jpgs as well. Don't need no stinkin plug-in with that one.

If you should install any of the Canon stuff make sure that you visit their site for the Updaters. There have been major updates since I got my cam last nov. You should be using Digital Photo Professional v1.6.1 (big improvments over v1.1 that shipped with mine) Here's what DPP does

There was an update for EOS Viewer and Canon Capture. Canon Digital Photo Professional