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09/11/2005 11:01:12 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by RonB:
Originally posted by MadMordegon:
Living the life that affords $6000 shower curtains is not sustainable in the long run. |
Why isn't a life that affords $6,000 shower curtains sustainable? Are there any reasons that you can offer in support of that statement? |
His company went bankrupt, didn't it, costing who knows how many people their savings and jobs? |
When Bill Gates and Warren Buffet go bankrupt or to jail, I will believe the statement to be true. Kozlowski went to jail not because he led a life that afforded $6000 shower curtains, but because he committed fraud.
I didn't infer that you meant only the life of a dishonest man living that life wasn't sustainable. But, given your answer, I guess I should clarify and rephrase the question: Why isn't the life of an HONEST man/woman that affords $6000 shower curtains sustainable? |
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09/11/2005 11:18:33 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by greatandsmall:
[quote=RonB]b) You are helping make my point (which was originally meant to be sarcastic). If we care so much about the plight of hungry children we should be giving our money directly to the families who really need it and getting tax write-offs. You suggested that thatcloudthere give up his trip to help those children, and I'm proposing that if you apply that logic to everyone, we are all hypocrites. |
Indeed, when it comes right down to it, I believe we are.
As a side note, I don't believe that the "best" solution is always to give money directly to people. Far too many of them do not have the wisdom or the willpower to use it in their own best interests. Rather, I would, and do, give money to organizations that provide goods and services locally, nationally, and internationally ( with a minimum of administrative costs ) that are intended to provide for both immediate relief and for the future well-being of those who are in need. |
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09/11/2005 11:21:50 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by RonB:
As a side note, I don't believe that the "best" solution is always to give money directly to people. Far too many of them do not have the wisdom or the willpower to use it in their own best interests. Rather, I would, and do, give money to organizations that provide goods and services locally, nationally, and internationally ( with a minimum of administrative costs ) that are intended to provide for both immediate relief and for the future well-being of those who are in need. |
Yay! Finally we agree on something:) On that note, I'm going to call it a night.
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09/11/2005 11:25:06 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by greatandsmall:
Originally posted by RonB:
As a side note, I don't believe that the "best" solution is always to give money directly to people. Far too many of them do not have the wisdom or the willpower to use it in their own best interests. Rather, I would, and do, give money to organizations that provide goods and services locally, nationally, and internationally ( with a minimum of administrative costs ) that are intended to provide for both immediate relief and for the future well-being of those who are in need. |
Yay! Finally we agree on something:) On that note, I'm going to call it a night. |
That makes TWO things we agree on. I'm going to call it a night, too.
Regards. |
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09/11/2005 11:46:51 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by RonB:
I guess I should clarify and rephrase the question: Why isn't the life of an HONEST man/woman that affords $6000 shower curtains sustainable? |
Check out the links I provided. |
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09/12/2005 12:34:02 AM · #31 |
Originally posted by MadMordegon:
Originally posted by RonB:
I guess I should clarify and rephrase the question: Why isn't the life of an HONEST man/woman that affords $6000 shower curtains sustainable? |
Check out the links I provided. |
Those links are related to large scale socio-economic models. Since we were discussing $6,000 shower curtains, I thought that it was clear that we were speaking of an individual's lifestyle ( i.e. Kozlowski ), not a large scale socio-economic group.
While I am inclined to agree that for large social orders, great disparity between a super-wealthy class and the "working" class is non-sustainable in the long run, my question was about why an individual's wealthy lifestyle ( i.e. like Kozlowski's ) is non-sustainable ( presuming that the wealth was honestly acquired ). |
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