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09/08/2005 06:42:20 AM · #1 |
Interesting news on dpreview Sony have a new DX sized (aps-c) sensor... so when will Nikon, Konica, etc. get their hands on this 10.8 MP CMOS sensor?
A new Canon beater perhaps? We can only hope as closer rivalry will bring benefits to all... |
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09/08/2005 07:24:17 AM · #2 |
Kool. Now if it only had the flexibility of interchangable lenses or 12mm to 300mm range. The live preview is very nice.
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09/08/2005 07:43:48 AM · #3 |
Originally posted by orussell:
Kool. Now if it only had the flexibility of interchangable lenses or 12mm to 300mm range. The live preview is very nice. |
I'm sure that there will be options for high quality wide angle and tele converters.
Seems like a pretty impressive tool, if they have the shutter lag issue in hand then I really can see this being a huge success and real alternative to the lower end dSLR range.
I would not mind owning one as an everyday cam :) |
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09/08/2005 07:49:03 AM · #4 |
I kind of suspected something like this would pop up from Sony, seeing as they don't have an existing line of SLR cameras or lenses.
Shame about the price though.. $999. Probably will sell at around $850
Great for newbie folk, who want a large format sensor and some of the dSLR advantages on an otherwise starter friendly body
Edit: can't wait to see how it handles noise
Message edited by author 2005-09-08 07:51:24. |
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09/08/2005 08:20:40 AM · #5 |
What makes the new Sony camera interesting is that it closes the gap between P&S/SLR-like and dSLR a bit more.
One of the main advantages of dSLR over P&S has been the larger sensor size, which meant less noise at higher ISOs and more flexible DOF.
The differences now seem to be narrowing to three;
1) dSLR interchangeable lenses versus fixed lenses
2) Through-the-lens prism/mirror view versus electronic viewfinder
3) Build quality of pro dSLR
I think that when the lag/resolution/clarity of electronic viewfinders improve to the point that the SLR mirror design has no real advantage, we will see a convergence of the camera categories.
As dpreview says; "This means that there's no mirror box or prism making the camera more compact and allowing the lens to be positioned much closer to the sensor"
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09/08/2005 08:43:15 AM · #6 |
Originally posted by jhonan:
2) Through-the-lens prism/mirror view versus electronic viewfinder |
Olympus has the E10/E20 with a TTL viewfinder |
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09/08/2005 09:33:24 AM · #7 |
Originally posted by jhonan:
I think that when ... clarity of electronic viewfinders improve to the point that the SLR mirror design has no real advantage ... |
I had been waiting for the technology to reach that point but gave up and made the switch to DSLR.
The makers of SLR bodies, both film and digital, have a tremendous market at stake. There has got to be a certain amount of pressure within the industry to slow the approach of the EVF that will be good enough to make reviewers and buyers declare the mechanical SLR to be the dinosaur that it is; and, as the gamers say, move to the next level.
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09/08/2005 09:54:02 AM · #8 |
Some really smart choices made by Sony here, offering a great set of features.
I have a Nikon D70 and a Sony DSC-F707 and this new R1 seems to offer best of both worlds.
Did you notice that spot-autofocus which can be moved around the screen ? great for macro's.
And the placement of the LCD. Really smart. I love(d) to use f707 with the body tilted for low level shots.
Good zoom range as well, comparable to my D70 kit lens, pity it is not interchangeable. Nice sensitive lens too.
Compared to my Nikon I would still miss the optical viewfinder (having used my f707 again recently I now realise what you miss with an electronic viewfinder).
And the absolute key thing to find out will be the responsiveness. How fast will it focus and take the picture ? My D70 is really fast, captures the moment when it happens. With my F707 I have to really anticipate the picture and get everyhting set in advance to be sure to be ready to capture the moment.
great job, Sony. (but I still won't buy one since I believe in the statement that you should only buy your next camera if you are reaching the limits of your current one).
Willem
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09/08/2005 11:08:55 AM · #9 |
You're missing the point...
Nikon, Konica-minolta, pentax, maybe others use Sony sensors...
A new D-slr from Nikon (or similar) with this sensor would most likely be a special piece of kit :)
I don't care about the Sony camera, just the sensor... |
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09/08/2005 11:56:47 AM · #10 |
| Remains to be seen, of course, but this new CMOS sensor from Sony is larger than the ones found in most APS cameras and has the potential for much lower image noise. The DSC-R1 features a 160-3200 ISO range. With a 10 megapixel image size the limitations of the 5X zoom are somewhat mitigated, but this new offering from Sony still falls short of DSLR performance and should not affect that market. Even for the advanced amateur, the $999 price tag does not compete favorably against current DSLR models. |
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09/08/2005 12:15:22 PM · #11 |
Yes, everybody forgets Olympus and their E-10/E-20 SLRs that in fact allowed you to use either the view finder OR the LCD for composition.
I miss that...
On more than one occasion I popped out my E-20's LCD and held the camera upside down way over my head to get a shot above the crowd. |
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09/08/2005 12:19:19 PM · #12 |
Having been a user of an EVF recently, I can tell you that this actually would be the primary reason I wouldn't go for the Sony. If I want a camera to be a camera, I want to see real imagery through real glass and mirrors. EVF's are too small and confining. I have been trying to shoot bats which like to gather in numbers and do flybys of my apartment (I can sit on the roof and they come within a few feet). I have burned up a few hours doing that with not a single picture to show for it. (not entirely true, I have 3 good captures which are poor pictures because of the light levels) I had a terrible time panning with the itty bitty EVF.
It's ok to use an EVF for a camera that you use as a walkaround, but for serious shooting, you kind of need a real viewfinder. I also like to have some movie function, therefore my walkaround (read EVF equipped) camera really would need to have this, as my DSLR won't.
To the naysayers on the movie cam issue, there are few things I personally shoot movies of that are worth viewing for more than 30 seconds. I have actually had some fun montaging short video clips plus pictures. When I visited my mother, I used direct output to the TV plus a VCR recorder to make something my mother could keep. |
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09/08/2005 12:22:10 PM · #13 |
Actually, this sensor will never hit a Nikon camera, unless they do the disasterous mistakes of different sized sensors.
21.5 x 14.4 mm for the new sensor vs. 23.7 x 15.7mm of the new D2X sensor.
The 12.84 CMOS will remain. This is just a downsized sensor for this camera.
At least, I hope I'm right, I really don't wish to buy another wide angle lens... Well I wouldn't, 'cause I'd never buy a SLR using this sensor. :) |
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09/08/2005 12:26:24 PM · #14 |
| Looks like more and more companies are moving to the CMOS sensor. Are we beginning to see the slow death of the CCD? |
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