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09/02/2005 10:58:28 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by Judi:
Originally posted by fotoshootme:
Originally posted by photodude:
I know I'll regret this but
"No Fat Chicks" |
this is why woman starve themselves....god |
Not everybody starves themselves. I have good metabolism...the more I eat...the more weight I lose. Is that a reason why I should not use my own photograph in a Nudity challenge....as I may upset some people and make some people think that I have to starve myself to be that size. 5'7" and under 100 pounds isn't so great. You try and find girls clothes that suit a woman!!
In summary...we all have issues...but how you deal with them is up to you. Don't take your anger out on the world....if you feel strongly about something...then do something constructive to help the situation...not blame the world.
Judi |
True, but it is ok to have understanding and compassion.......
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09/02/2005 11:05:56 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by azoychka:
Originally posted by Judi:
Originally posted by fotoshootme:
Originally posted by photodude:
I know I'll regret this but
"No Fat Chicks" |
this is why woman starve themselves....god |
Not everybody starves themselves. I have good metabolism...the more I eat...the more weight I lose. Is that a reason why I should not use my own photograph in a Nudity challenge....as I may upset some people and make some people think that I have to starve myself to be that size. 5'7" and under 100 pounds isn't so great. You try and find girls clothes that suit a woman!!
In summary...we all have issues...but how you deal with them is up to you. Don't take your anger out on the world....if you feel strongly about something...then do something constructive to help the situation...not blame the world.
Judi |
True, but it is ok to have understanding and compassion....... |
Yes it sure is....and the majority of people do have understanding and compassion. But it is the minority who make it difficult. I have lived all my life with taunts thrown at me like "what would you know...your skinny...you don't have problems."
We all have problems...a bit of understanding and compassion can really go a long way. There is nothing wrong with a persons size...it is what is inside that counts.
Judi
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09/02/2005 11:12:21 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by Judi:
We all have problems...a bit of understanding and compassion can really go a long way. There is nothing wrong with a persons size...it is what is inside that counts.Judi |
I agree with you 100%
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09/02/2005 11:21:54 PM · #29 |
Seek out your own beauty and don't be afraid to admire it even if it is not what the rest of the sheep are drooling over.
AMEN!!!! Reality is beautiful to me.. each curve, wrinkle, dimple, its the life behind the eyes.. the glow, the sparkle ~ the passion of life full and strong or weak and disillusioned. We are all connected in this circle of life.. each beautiful in our own way.
*nuff said from me*
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09/03/2005 12:24:25 AM · #30 |
| Some of you guys are pretty friggin shallow |
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09/03/2005 01:29:14 AM · #31 |
the problem with "fat chicks" is ultimately the fact they are going to die a premature death due to the lack of keeping their mouths shut.
the problem with "women who starve themselves" is ultimately the fact they are going to die a premature death to the lack of control they have over normal bodily functions (i.e. eating nutritious meals).
the problem with the best pictures "were people with thin or muscular models" is not related to the size of the model, but the quality of the image and the talent of the photographer.
finally, people are making assumptions that may or may not be seen of these thin, muscular types. Perhaps someone could be in fantastic shape due to hard work and dedication to health, but is missing a limb. What if the character in "Evolve" who is thin is missing a leg. The point is don't judge the image and results based on what you can see, but in reality none of us can see everything.
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09/03/2005 02:12:29 AM · #32 |
Originally posted by photodude:
I know I'll regret this but
"No Fat Chicks" |
haha if the internet was around years and years ago this exact statement would be inverted....otherdude u do realize that in the 1800s and around then it was considered unhealthy to be to thin and it was also though of as beautiful to be on the heaver side....so this brings up a great 2 great quotes the 1st is that of the mouth o Oscar wild a great comic and rather good playwright he said this is as good as i can remember not exact-
"Fashion is such a horrible thing we have to change it every six months"
So there is 1 point of view the other is the great Steven Wright quote-
"Smoking cures weight problems... eventually..."
i love that 1.......but the point is that there is an art to taking a nude photo and the greatness of the image doesn't depend on the model either way....ppl. will prefer certain thing s and they as u have been and as u did will judge each other based on opinion....as to the model but they will not say or r very shallow if they do that the photograph is bad b/c the model is fat or thin....it doesn't matter we should be here to judge art and if done well the shot should not be dependent an attractive person showing off their body....it should be judged on its photographic quality which has much more included in it then just a subject...true that is what u focus on but a good image and most certainly a great image is its own subject...in other words don't be so quickly to rule out an image based on beauty cause there is soooooooooo very much more to photography than that....i have always though and still think that an artistic nude should be view as an emotion....there is a structure in the human body that we r striving to capture it is the person's spirit that we so want to show on film or in the digital form...we can do that so we strip them bare and have them pose with nothing to hide fearless or fearful...timid or bold..that is as much of a human being as we can show..and a great artistic nude shows that fat or thin well built or and toned, or scrawny and withered.....
if u don't like my view i would urge u to go to your local adult bookstore take any "dirty" mag. u want buy it an get lost in a reseese...or better yet see if u other than sexual can find a connection with the model u flip to???????not going to happen cause there is nothing deeper there than a basic human urge which is not what a nude photo should capture so long as it is in the name of art.
and so go look in the at your self r u the perfect specimen of humanity.....no surly u could not be b/c if u were external beauty wouldn't matter 2 u would see everything as beautiful in its own right....and everything is.....
_bran(quite POed at my o'so shallow twin)do_
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09/03/2005 03:03:55 AM · #33 |
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09/03/2005 03:22:00 AM · #34 |
Originally posted by christie3:
Originally posted by fotoshootme:
Originally posted by photodude:
I know I'll regret this but
"No Fat Chicks" |
this is why woman starve themselves....god |
At least that is where it sometimes starts.
Sigh. Living with an eating disorder is no joke, my friend. : ( |
Exactly what I was thinking. My ex had an ED....ex being her choice, not mine.
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09/03/2005 03:52:16 AM · #35 |
| Is this a case of small man syndrome? |
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09/03/2005 04:55:13 AM · #36 |
Originally posted by Cutter:
the problem with "fat chicks" is ultimately the fact they are going to die a premature death due to the lack of keeping their mouths shut.
the problem with "women who starve themselves" is ultimately the fact they are going to die a premature death to the lack of control they have over normal bodily functions (i.e. eating nutritious meals).
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so what your basically saying here is those types of woman are only that way cause the have no control? Thats almost worse than the first comment! Ever stop to think about the people that have glandular problems or other issues that do not ALLOW them to control their eating or starving for that matter.
Yes some women and MEN starve themselves because they don't feel good in their body but it is because of crap like this that makes them feel that way. Insensitive people telling they they have to be like others, saying they have to be thin to be a winner. Makes them feel like if they aren't "perfect" or can't keep their mouth shut than they better do whatever it takes to get there. As stated thin and fit people suffer too, getting ridaculed and talked about. I have personally experienced both sides of that fence and fear everyday that my daughter will suffer from it.
Eating disorders do much much more than what is physically seen, and until this sort of attitude stops no one will be safe from it. And just cause it was on a stupid cartoon doesn't make it right to quote in a public forum like this.
I thought we were a nice helpful website, teaching each other the ways of photography and helping others.
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09/03/2005 05:32:15 AM · #37 |
The only reason I can think of why pics of fat people didnt score high is that there werent any good pics of fat people in this challenge......?
I´d think fat people werent all that happy about how they look let alone posing nude for a photo to be seen by the thousands on the internet.....but what do I know, I had enough problems finding a skinny model:/
Message edited by author 2005-09-03 05:36:28. |
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09/03/2005 06:08:43 AM · #38 |
thats me just noticed this thread,,, OMG, this photodude is so out of order,,,
now, i'm not saying he has to like the look of an overweight person, thats upto him, but if he is going to post comments on a public forum at least prove to us that he was taught some manners while growing up... it seems this was not the case... his comment was rude, and may have done some damage to the feelings of the brave models he is insulting...
I personally can see beauty in most people because i don't just look at their outside looks, and agree with one persons comment that its not just the model that makes the photograph. If its technically bad, the model isn't going to make a difference,... if photography was only taking photos of what a narrowminded world sees as "beautiful" then i'm afraid i would not have been so excited about this new hobby of mine...
constructive criticism is what we all crave of course, it helps us take better photos... but rude comments like photodudes do nothing but harm peoples view of themselves... so let me take this opportunity to say to any heavier models who took part in this challenge, be proud of yourself for baring your body to the world and remember that for every person who hates your look, there is someone else who loves it.... not everyones ideal woman is a magazine perfect false model...
Message edited by author 2005-09-03 06:10:11.
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09/03/2005 06:51:34 AM · #39 |
Maybe, the 'out of order' comment was made to make us 'stop', 'think', 'evaluate' and then to 'assess'. Was the statement 'out of order'? You bet it was but maybe we can learn from this. It is so easy to make the quick judgement. It continually comes back to how we 'judge' what is around us and how we 'judge' ourselves. From what I 'see' we do it far too quickly and harshly.
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09/03/2005 07:04:46 AM · #40 |
| What I don't understand is, if you - photodude - knew you were going to regret it, why did you post it? And after you did, why didn't you regret it enough to edit it out? |
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09/03/2005 07:51:15 AM · #41 |
Originally posted by arsharif:
Seems like the only people that got close to winning were people with thin or muscular models. Or maybe its just me... |
Sometimes the subtle just DOES NOT work...........
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09/03/2005 09:05:02 AM · #42 |
Maybe what photodude was trying to say is DPC viewers, the collective "voters", are more like mind controlled sheep that respond primarily to what they have been fed through mass media.
Of course we must not generalize but a case could be made the majority of the voters here subscribe to the insulting creedo, no fat chicks.
Anonimity gives pepole the freedom to express their feelings, or reaction in an unfettered way.
Apparantly, nude photo's here have been judged not on their artistic attributes but more on the porn value.
In my estimation, a low score based on the sexual attractiveness of a nude photo in a challenge designed for artistic beauty and technical expertise is not an indication of the models size, it is an indication of the size of the viewers mind.
Small minds contribute small things.
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09/03/2005 09:33:22 AM · #43 |
I think Lesley Goodman's post just says it all folks..:)
goodman you are one brilliant lady.. |
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09/03/2005 09:38:55 AM · #44 |
[quote=Cutter] the problem with "fat chicks" is ultimately the fact they are going to die a premature death due to the lack of keeping their mouths shut.
the problem with "women who starve themselves" is ultimately the fact they are going to die a premature death to the lack of control they have over normal bodily functions (i.e. eating nutritious meals).[quote=Cutter]
Ya know...that kind of narrow minded attitude is what hurts someone like me. I am a large woman, I did the nude challenge, I have what is called PCOS and Insulin resistance. Look it up and become a little more educated. Not all of us eat too much and become "fat chicks" sometimes its genetics. I'm very sad that people think that "fat chicks" are worthless and stupid and that we have no feelings. I happen to have received honors in school and now have a very good job. I have dealt with the sudden death of my father in May and kept my family going. So how stupid am I? I get very tired of people looking at me and judging me. I am not stupid, I am strong and I am here. You'll just have to live with that.
Message edited by author 2005-09-03 09:40:01.
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09/03/2005 09:54:56 AM · #45 |
I didn't read anyone say "fat chicks" were stupid???
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09/03/2005 10:01:34 AM · #46 |
Originally posted by notonline:
I didn't read anyone say "fat chicks" were stupid??? |
Its implied.
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09/03/2005 10:02:44 AM · #47 |
I don't think DPCers are, in general, all that bad. I've used myself in a lot of entries, including Nude II, and both my entry into that and the outtake did "okay" (I didn't come in last, anyway) - and I think what I entered would have done much better had the tones been even. It just seems to me that pictures involving people who are not the average idea of beautiful tend to be judged more harshly on the technicals because the viewer is not totally mesmerized by the model - and yes, there are definitely people who rate only on the physical appeal to them, but that will ALWAYS be the case.
Sad but true.. just makes me want to take people and things that are vastly underrated and create something that can't be ignored or shoved aside. |
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09/03/2005 10:05:23 AM · #48 |
Originally posted by mocabela:
I don't think DPCers are, in general, all that bad. I've used myself in a lot of entries, including Nude II, and both my entry into that and the outtake did "okay" (I didn't come in last, anyway) - and I think what I entered would have done much better had the tones been even. It just seems to me that pictures involving people who are not the average idea of beautiful tend to be judged more harshly on the technicals because the viewer is not totally mesmerized by the model - and yes, there are definitely people who rate only on the physical appeal to them, but that will ALWAYS be the case.
Sad but true.. just makes me want to take people and things that are vastly underrated and create something that can't be ignored or shoved aside. |
amen to that
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09/03/2005 10:16:33 AM · #49 |
Originally posted by mocabela:
I don't think DPCers are, in general, all that bad. I've used myself in a lot of entries, including Nude II, and both my entry into that and the outtake did "okay" (I didn't come in last, anyway) - and I think what I entered would have done much better had the tones been even. It just seems to me that pictures involving people who are not the average idea of beautiful tend to be judged more harshly on the technicals because the viewer is not totally mesmerized by the model - and yes, there are definitely people who rate only on the physical appeal to them, but that will ALWAYS be the case. |
Yes, I agree. I was hoping to learn to improve my skills artistically here. DPC is definitely a good place to improve your skills commercially.
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09/03/2005 10:48:42 AM · #50 |
I cannot believe that this thread has been allowed to let slide.
Whatever happened to Originally posted by DPC TOS:
4.2 You will not use the DPChallenge.com Service to post content or to design, manufacture, market or sell a Product that (i) infringes the rights of a third party, including, without limitation, copyrights, trademarks, patents, trade secrets, rights of privacy and publicity, (ii) is libelous, defamatory or slanderous, (iii) condones, promotes, contains or links to warez, cracks, hacks or similar utilities or programs, (iv) contains explicitly sexual content, (v) does or may denigrate or offend any ethnic, racial, gender, religious or other protected group, through use of language, images, stereotypical depiction or otherwise, (vi) is designed to or does harass, threaten, defame or abuse others, (vii) exploits images or the likeness of minors, (viii) encourages the use of drugs or the under-age use of alcohol or cigarettes or (ix) is generally offensive or in bad taste.
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Had he said "no gay chicks" or "no mentally retarded chicks" or "no black chicks" it would have been gone in a heart beat. How Is "no fat chicks" any different? Eating disorders are a metalo disablitiy, not a choice or lack of control issue. Thyroid problems are a physical disablitiy, not a choice or a lack of control issue. I could go on and on. What women don't get protection under clause 4.2(v)??
What about clause 4.2(vi)? You don''t think that full figured models would have felt abused or harassed by this comment? I know i did, and i am not a full figured model.
How about 4.2(ix)? There seems to be almost 2 pages of complaints about this rude, abrasive, abusive and offensive comment, but somehow it wasn't in bad taste?
I reported it yesterday, and i am sure i was not the only one. I just don't know about DPC right now...
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