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08/31/2005 05:59:28 AM · #26 |
Originally posted by nsbca7:
Check out these two barreling one behind the other into China.
They should rate about 45 seconds on Fox, if they get that. |
Yea I know. I saw it on the weather channel. My wife is from Hong Kong and she said that they have about 4 or 5 every year but, the city is all concrete and steel and nothing ever happens there other then they get a day off work. I'm sure China is much different though.
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08/31/2005 06:32:19 AM · #27 |
``I can only imagine that this is what Hiroshima looked like 60 years ago,'' said Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour after touring the destruction by air.
Fool.
Ed |
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08/31/2005 08:31:52 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by e301:
``I can only imagine that this is what Hiroshima looked like 60 years ago,'' said Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour after touring the destruction by air.
Fool.
Ed |
ed, for once, i have to absolutely disagree with you. i'm not getting into the debate over the differences between what caused the devastations, but the end result is the same--complete and utter devastation. the people will recover, but the landscape is forever changed. |
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08/31/2005 08:45:02 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by TomH1000:
Yea I know. I saw it on the weather channel. My wife is from Hong Kong and she said that they have about 4 or 5 every year but, the city is all concrete and steel and nothing ever happens there other then they get a day off work. I'm sure China is much different though. |
I think the coast of China gets hit with about seven a year on average.
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08/31/2005 08:47:28 PM · #30 |
does anyone suppose mars getting closer to earth might have upset our weather somehow?
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08/31/2005 09:16:46 PM · #31 |
| saintaugust - you don't wear aluminum foil on your head, do you? LOL |
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08/31/2005 09:20:44 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by saintaugust:
does anyone suppose mars getting closer to earth might have upset our weather somehow? |
That whole Mars thing was a hoax. I mean the planet does exist, but the part about it appearing as big as the moon in the evening sky was BS.
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08/31/2005 09:22:50 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by nsbca7:
Originally posted by saintaugust:
does anyone suppose mars getting closer to earth might have upset our weather somehow? |
That whole Mars thing was a hoax. I mean the planet does exist, but the part about it appearing as big as the moon in the evening sky was BS. |
But it's still getting closer.
I doubt Katrina cares, though. |
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08/31/2005 09:23:46 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by thatcloudthere:
Originally posted by nsbca7:
Originally posted by saintaugust:
does anyone suppose mars getting closer to earth might have upset our weather somehow? |
That whole Mars thing was a hoax. I mean the planet does exist, but the part about it appearing as big as the moon in the evening sky was BS. |
But it's still getting closer.
I doubt Katrina cares, though. |
That was actually a couple of years ago, but the emails have recently started recirculating.
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08/31/2005 10:06:28 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by nsbca7:
Katrina's real name
Anyone who thinks there is not something to this is a fool. |
Yes it is true, but there is not one thing we can do to stop global warming. Its a natural event that the governments and media of the world use as terrorism against the people in the world. Primarily for monetary gain and control over the people.
What caused the end of the ice age??? Um global warming perhaps or was it the large SUV's and aerosol cheese products the cave man used???
There are WAY too many natural events that cause global warming to stop it from happening and by stopping or reducing the bad things we as humans produce and use to affect global warming are just to miniscule to even put one little dent in stopping the affects of global warming.
Now if you dont believe that you are a fool.
this post is NOT directed at any one person or individual. Im just stating the truth many seem to avoid
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08/31/2005 10:55:42 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by jab119:
Originally posted by nsbca7:
Katrina's real name
Anyone who thinks there is not something to this is a fool. |
Yes it is true, but there is not one thing we can do to stop global warming. Its a natural event that the governments and media of the world use as terrorism against the people in the world. Primarily for monetary gain and control over the people.
What caused the end of the ice age??? Um global warming perhaps or was it the large SUV's and aerosol cheese products the cave man used???
There are WAY too many natural events that cause global warming to stop it from happening and by stopping or reducing the bad things we as humans produce and use to affect global warming are just to miniscule to even put one little dent in stopping the affects of global warming.
Now if you dont believe that you are a fool.
this post is NOT directed at any one person or individual. Im just stating the truth many seem to avoid
James |
I think the first comment I made was relevant. Of course there are natural factors involved, but the human element has vastly sped up the process. Putting a Wal Mart parking lot in with no trees can raise the average temperature of that parking lot by over 50 degrees in the summer. Millions of parking lots, millions of miles of roadway, billions of square yards of fuel being burned, black roofs, rockets blasting through the ozone, clear-cuts, nuclear generating stations warming the waterâ€Â¦ all have a cumulative effect.
We are reaping the lack of wisdom of our fathers. Our children will reap ours.
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08/31/2005 11:29:32 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by nsbca7:
I think the first comment I made was relevant. Of course there are natural factors involved, but the human element has vastly sped up the process. Putting a Wal Mart parking lot in with no trees can raise the average temperature of that parking lot by over 50 degrees in the summer. Millions of parking lots, millions of miles of roadway, billions of square yards of fuel being burned, black roofs, rockets blasting through the ozone, clear-cuts, nuclear generating stations warming the waterâ€Â¦ all have a cumulative effect.
We are reaping the lack of wisdom of our fathers. Our children will reap ours. |
yes you are correct and I dont doubt what you say, but in general the mass media only targets gas guzzling vehicles and petrochemical plants. they never touch on the fact that population growth and new shopping centers add to the cause as well. If they do its a side line to another topic and it mis leads the public.
we have to come up with a way to "Clean" what we have done, not just putting restrictions on vehicle emissions. Certain green house gases take 10 years to dissolve, some take 100 years. So if we stopped producing and emitting all green house gasses today, it will be at least 10 years before there is any signs of a decline in the gas levels.
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08/31/2005 11:57:57 PM · #38 |
Originally posted by nsbca7:
I think the first comment I made was relevant. Of course there are natural factors involved, but the human element has vastly sped up the process. Putting a Wal Mart parking lot in with no trees can raise the average temperature of that parking lot by over 50 degrees in the summer. Millions of parking lots, millions of miles of roadway, billions of square yards of fuel being burned, black roofs, rockets blasting through the ozone, clear-cuts, nuclear generating stations warming the waterâ€Â¦ all have a cumulative effect.
We are reaping the lack of wisdom of our fathers. Our children will reap ours. |
Hmmm. So if parking lots with no trees can raise the average temperature of a parking lot by over 50 degrees in the summer, what would be the effect if we covered that same area with solar panels to eliminate or at least diminish the amount of sunlight that reaches the earth in order to convert that sunlight into electricity? What would be the effect if we installed 20 or 30 windmills in that area to eliminate or at least diminish the cooling energy of the wind by using up its power to drive wind-turbines?
Hydroelectric dams = larger areas of flooded terrain = less vegatation plus increased water surfaces that reflect sunlight onto the surrounding land.
One way or another, we must pay an ecological price for any method used to transform energy from one form to another. Accept the fact that there's no such thing as "free" energy.
But, as always, everyone picks and chooses which methods THEY believe are "good" and decries those methods that THEY believe are "bad". The problem is when they deny that there is an ecological price to EVERY method, especially those that they believe are "good".
Message edited by author 2005-08-31 23:59:57. |
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09/01/2005 12:34:35 AM · #39 |
Originally posted by RonB:
Originally posted by nsbca7:
I think the first comment I made was relevant. Of course there are natural factors involved, but the human element has vastly sped up the process. Putting a Wal Mart parking lot in with no trees can raise the average temperature of that parking lot by over 50 degrees in the summer. Millions of parking lots, millions of miles of roadway, billions of square yards of fuel being burned, black roofs, rockets blasting through the ozone, clear-cuts, nuclear generating stations warming the waterâ€Â¦ all have a cumulative effect.
We are reaping the lack of wisdom of our fathers. Our children will reap ours. |
Hmmm. So if parking lots with no trees can raise the average temperature of a parking lot by over 50 degrees in the summer, what would be the effect if we covered that same area with solar panels to eliminate or at least diminish the amount of sunlight that reaches the earth in order to convert that sunlight into electricity? What would be the effect if we installed 20 or 30 windmills in that area to eliminate or at least diminish the cooling energy of the wind by using up its power to drive wind-turbines?
Hydroelectric dams = larger areas of flooded terrain = less vegatation plus increased water surfaces that reflect sunlight onto the surrounding land.
One way or another, we must pay an ecological price for any method used to transform energy from one form to another. Accept the fact that there's no such thing as "free" energy.
But, as always, everyone picks and chooses which methods THEY believe are "good" and decries those methods that THEY believe are "bad". The problem is when they deny that there is an ecological price to EVERY method, especially those that they believe are "good". |
Conservation of all these methods would be a start. Hummers suck, literally. For what purpose would you own one unless you plan to start a military regime? They are rarely effective as work vehicles and why would you need one to go the the store? The same can be said for Escalades, Suburbans, ect...
Not driving a Hummer will not save the world. It's a start.
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09/01/2005 12:43:23 AM · #40 |
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09/01/2005 01:05:44 AM · #41 |
To bad George Taylor couldn't put the 2000 - 2005 model in. Would have messed up his whole argument.
Fact: Global warming is real.
Fact: Weather does come in cycles.
Fact: The Gulf of Mexico is 3 degrees F warmer this year then the historical average.
Fact: Hurricanes will increase in both frequency and intensity as the atmosphere gets warmer.
You can find someone with a PhD to back up just about any scientific argument you can think of. The consensus of the majority of the most respected climatologists and scientists in the world is that global warming is real, that man does contribute to this change and that it does have an effect on weather.
Message edited by author 2005-09-01 01:27:01.
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09/01/2005 03:52:20 AM · #42 |
Originally posted by skiprow:
Originally posted by e301:
``I can only imagine that this is what Hiroshima looked like 60 years ago,'' said Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour after touring the destruction by air.
Fool.
Ed |
ed, for once, i have to absolutely disagree with you. i'm not getting into the debate over the differences between what caused the devastations, but the end result is the same--complete and utter devastation. the people will recover, but the landscape is forever changed. |
And I shall disagree back, skip my friend; few buildings have been vapourised by Katrina, after all. Sure, there's a hellish mess, but Hiroshima had the eerie look of having been cleaned, almost. Whole chunks of the place were just gone. Photo
I think it was an unwise comparison to draw. |
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09/01/2005 04:43:45 AM · #43 |
I dont know if anyone here is really seeing the news coverage of new orleans. Sure..this city will be rebuilt..from the ground up...in time. This will take years. Maybe they can turn the power on in certain parts within 3 months..maybe...who will come back and live here? I wont. I might rebuild but only from a distance. New Orleans is gone. It will never be what it was...never. Everyone who lived here is homeless...everyone. I am sharing 2 hotel rooms (3 beds) with 10 people and 4 dogs. We are lucky...we can afford the expense of sharing these rooms..for now. Many people cant. Today, a man pulled in looking for a room. He had just evacuated new orleans. He was covered in mud from the waist down. He was with his wife and child. I cant begin to fathom what life must have been like for them for the past few days. We are here in safety dealing with our shock and denial. Absorbing the ever changing and deepening reality of ...we are not going home...we have no home. We are watching the news and sitting in a dazed and confused limbo...uncertain where to take ourselves..uncertain of the true condition of things..is it getting better? can we go back? But every day...the danger ..the deterioration...the filth...the total disaster...every day it appears even worse. Bloated bodies are floating in the waters..in huge numbers. We dont see this in the video clips. The people left in new orleans are forming these organized gangs..women are not safe...they are raping and killing women...looting..its insane..animal and crazed and insane. One policeman had his face blown off while trying to stop looting. Its a nightmare. All of it is a nightmare.
I feel like no one really gets it. So many people from new orleans still dont get it. 20% is not under water. Those are the people thinking they will go back. Go back to what? To what? Where will the gas and grocery come from? How will they survive on a small sliver of land in the lower portions of louisana. The would be living like swamp people...people with absolutely no connection to a city...to the world. There are no jobs. It isnt safe...it isnt sanitary. I cant go back. Who would plan a wedding in new orleans right now? I cant run a business there. How many businesses will want to go back? How many can? Construction companies should do very well. I know it will be rebuilt and livable and good again..but that will take years..not months...years. We are homeless. I guess it is me trying to absorb the reality of this...to face it and move on so I can rebuild my life in a new location. To start over...again.
I'll be in houston..i dont know where yet..i only know that i will go there and find a way to make my way...no connections...no friends. Just my ex husband and my children. No furniture...barely any clothes. No towels..no sheets..no dishes...no coffee pot..no coffee mug..no familar tile against my feet. No bed..no desk..no nothing. But i am lucky..i am..and i have what i need to continue my business there. It is something to suddenly realize how you will miss the smallest things...the tiniest things...like that crack in the lead glass of your front door. Or the way your mailbox hangs a little crooked. Little quirky things. The chip on your favorite coffee mug. Appreciate...savor and appreciate what you have. |
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09/01/2005 04:44:26 AM · #44 |
Originally posted by e301:
Originally posted by skiprow:
Originally posted by e301:
``I can only imagine that this is what Hiroshima looked like 60 years ago,'' said Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour after touring the destruction by air.
Fool.
Ed |
ed, for once, i have to absolutely disagree with you. i'm not getting into the debate over the differences between what caused the devastations, but the end result is the same--complete and utter devastation. the people will recover, but the landscape is forever changed. |
And I shall disagree back, skip my friend; few buildings have been vapourised by Katrina, after all. Sure, there's a hellish mess, but Hiroshima had the eerie look of having been cleaned, almost. Whole chunks of the place were just gone. Photo
I think it was an unwise comparison to draw. |
I think it was in bad taste, because in comparison the loss of life is light next ot what happened at Hiroshima. But wait till the arial photos of Ocean Springs come in and see if ther aren't similarities. Standing on the ground and trying to take all of that in would probably give you the same feeling.
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09/01/2005 04:49:30 AM · #45 |
Originally posted by grigrigirl:
I am sharing 2 hotel rooms (3 beds) with 10 people and 4 dogs. We are lucky...we can afford the expense of sharing these rooms..for now. |
Where are you?
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09/01/2005 04:50:24 AM · #46 |
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09/01/2005 04:55:29 AM · #47 |
Originally posted by grigrigirl:
beaumont, tx |
If you were closer I would offer my house. It's big and there's plenty of room. But the way things are it would be easier to drive to the moon then from East Texas to South Alabama right now.
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09/01/2005 04:58:50 AM · #48 |
I have seen the images, I have read the news, but your post really brings it home grigrigirl.
Good luck to all of you. I hope and pray for solid ground under your feet soon. |
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09/01/2005 05:02:27 AM · #49 |
| yep. I certainly appreciate it though. I have several places i can go and live for free. Free would be awful nice right now. The problem is that my children evacuated with their dad. They are with his family and well taken care of. I am homeless and have to find my own way. I dont know anyone in houston but I do have to be near my kids. I have to continue the normalcy of sharing them. I will not disappear for a month or two or three..just wont do it. So..i'll put whatever money i have into an apaartment near them and start building my life. Im guessing it will all work out...because everything always does. I am actually feeling hopeful now..finally. I think having a plan gives hope. |
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09/01/2005 05:08:50 AM · #50 |
Julia, i wish i were there to give you a hug. I cannot even begin to imagine the devestation. I am very glad that you, your kids and family are safe. I am just speechless. That is truly heart wrenching.
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