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 08/31/2005 05:08:01 AM · #26
One of the strawberry splashes was mine too, and I don't take offence in the slightest.

I thought I'd use cream instead of milk because I did anticipate that their might be a couple of similar shots and I wanted a more silk like appearance to my splash.

I never thought my image would do as well as it did once I saw the other entries because I was worried about the lack of originality, but I took some solace in the fact that the splash came out as I intended and had a different 'style' to the others (someone commented that my milk looked fake infact).

I do agree that there was a lack of originality with this challenge, I personally thought that the images in 8th, 10th and 26th were the better images this challenge (particularly no 10).

Originality is great, but I think part of the reason the splash shots did well was because they were quite well executed and can be hard to get right, I think mine was the least impressive technically of the top ones, but maybe the use of the cream gave an original twist, who knows?
 08/31/2005 05:42:20 AM · #27
Originally posted by pepitoid:
hey rgo, why do you think the vast majority of ads to themes related on food are made like that? (milk pouring into chocolate, strawberries splashed, etc...). Because IT WORKS! Because some instincts are stronger than the capacity to see aesthetics, balance, originality, bla, bla...


And I think that's exactly what we're against. That there's a certain image stuck in our heads and because of this we can't get out of the damn box!
08/31/2005 06:10:46 AM · #28
It really doesn't matter that splashes of this or that do well here. We have been trained to accept and desire the simple uncomplicated view, and of course, idea. If we have to spend more than a few seconds on anything we become uncomfortable and feel the urgency to move on. Objects that are place on a page are not a compositon. They are easy to execute and look 'good' but they are very 'easy' once you have attained the tech skill to execute them. Creativity is not a strawberry falling from a different angle or into cream instead of 2%!
 08/31/2005 06:30:12 AM · #29
Originally posted by Ennil:
Originally posted by pepitoid:
hey rgo, why do you think the vast majority of ads to themes related on food are made like that? (milk pouring into chocolate, strawberries splashed, etc...). Because IT WORKS! Because some instincts are stronger than the capacity to see aesthetics, balance, originality, bla, bla...


And I think that's exactly what we're against. That there's a certain image stuck in our heads and because of this we can't get out of the damn box!


It's always easiest to blame someone else for our own shortcomings, isn't it? Whether it's the voters for having the taste they do, the other photographers for producing the images they do, or the media for conditioning us the way it does... there's always an excuse why such and such is stopping us getting out of the box.

The fact is, simply being "out of the box" does not make a good image, and many photographers think it does... and are bitterly disappointed when they get caned by another splash shot. If an original out of the box image was done well enough, it would become the next splash shot, and then a thread would spring up about all the copycats from that.
 08/31/2005 07:40:31 AM · #30
'out of the box' or not what I think we are seeing here, when members such as 'bucket' and 'rgo' begin to question the results of challenges is the desire to see something other than the normal and ordinary photos so prevalent here. There is a place for these highly technical pieces but there is also, for more creative risk-taking photos too. At least I hope so. Do not be so quick to 'understand' and accept. Strive for technical expertise and a little 'out of the box' creativity. Voting here is done quickly and with very little objectivity. Please don't tell me you spend time voting. It is impossible to vote the number of entries in any challenge objectively and with merit. It would be hard enough to assess 10 entries let alone the required 20%. Why is it you think some members desire more? What is lacking in these ribbon pictures?
 08/31/2005 07:58:22 AM · #31
I've taken the liberty of calculating some DPC voters' I.Q.s:

Figure 1. IQ related to score:


Figure 2. Find the red bar in the graph below this image and relate it back to figure 1. That's your I.Q.


Here are the I.Q.s of some famous people:

1. John Stuart Mill (Philosopher, economist) 190
2. Johann Wolfgang von Goethe (German poet) 185
3. Thomas Chatterton 170
4. Voltaire (Author, philosopher) 170
5. George Sand (the only woman on the list; author) 150
6. Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart (Composer) 150
7. Lord Byron (English poet) 150
8. Thomas Jefferson (President, statesman, author) 145
9. Benjamin Franklin (Writer, statesman, inventor) 145
10. Charles Dickens (English writer) 145
11. Galileo (Astronomer) 145
12. Napoleon Bonaparte (Military strategist, conqueror)140
13. Richard Wagner (Composer) 135
14. Charles Darwin (Scientist: theory of Evolution) 135
15. Ludwig von Beethoven (Composer) 135
16. Leonardo da Vinci (Artist, inventor) 135
17. Honore de Balzac (Writer) 130
18. Sir Isaac Newton (Mathematician, scientist) 130
19. Baruch Spinoza (Philosopher) 130
(Note that those below this level would likely be
below the 98th percentile required for MENSA)
20. George Washington (Statesman, militarist,President)125
21. Abraham Lincoln (President, lawyer) 125
22. Robert Blake (British admiral, writer) 125
23. Johann Sebastian Bach (Composer) 125
24. Josef Haydn (Composer) 120
25. Hernando Cortes (conqueror of Mexico) 115
26. Emmanual Swedenborg (Swedish religious writer) 115
27. Martin Luther (Religious reformer) 115
28. Rembrandt van Rindt (Dutch Painter) 110
29. Copernicus (Astronomer) 105
30. Cervantes (Writer: Don Quixote) 105


08/31/2005 08:06:00 AM · #32
LOL...I'm at 160!! How did you make it so accurate:)
 08/31/2005 08:08:03 AM · #33
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
I've taken the liberty of calculating some DPC voters' I.Q.s:


I think Slippy should get plenty of 10s in the next challenge he enters. Lemme know which shot it would be...I'm serious :) Who else is in?
 08/31/2005 08:09:42 AM · #34
Originally posted by rgo:
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
I've taken the liberty of calculating some DPC voters' I.Q.s:


I think Slippy should get plenty of 10s in the next challenge he enters. Lemme know which shot it would be...I'm serious :) Who else is in?


WEEEE! It actually meets the challenge, actually are two shoes in it!
 08/31/2005 08:24:10 AM · #35
You think all that about the splashes? Oh, come on!! a cow just ribboned!
Just another one of the twenty-somthing cows that ran this challenge.

I am sorry. There's no personal offence to Arnit here. I think he is very creative most of the times.
But a cow... I can hardly think of anything more boring then that.
Ok, yes, except maybe for strawberry and splash.

But I really don't think another forum thread will do the trick here, Rob. You can check the D&L forum thread. It has gone as low as questioning if a photo without the "&" in it's title meet the challenge or not.

People have just lost their creativity. People have stopped thinking for themselves, but rather they are thinking for others. What would "sell" more.
Art is gone. Long live stock photography.

My idea of that? I shoot for myself. If I enter a challenge, it is only because I thought it was a nice exercise for myself.
I get my crowd, and I have stopped caring about those boring comments from people who do not understand photography.

If you want to keep your creativity alive, you just need to love what you do.

Edit: Don't mistake here. This is not another "creativity is dead" post.
This post is questioning the entire idea of starting another thread on the same matter again.

Message edited by author 2005-08-31 08:25:58.
 08/31/2005 08:34:28 AM · #36
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
I've taken the liberty of calculating some DPC voters' I.Q.s:

Figure 1. IQ related to score:


Figure 2. Find the red bar in the graph below this image and relate it back to figure 1. That's your I.Q.


Here are the I.Q.s of some famous people:

1. John Stuart Mill (Philosopher, economist) 190
2. Johann Wolfgang von Goethe (German poet) 185
3. Thomas Chatterton 170
4. Voltaire (Author, philosopher) 170
5. George Sand (the only woman on the list; author) 150
6. Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart (Composer) 150
7. Lord Byron (English poet) 150
8. Thomas Jefferson (President, statesman, author) 145
9. Benjamin Franklin (Writer, statesman, inventor) 145
10. Charles Dickens (English writer) 145
11. Galileo (Astronomer) 145
12. Napoleon Bonaparte (Military strategist, conqueror)140
13. Richard Wagner (Composer) 135
14. Charles Darwin (Scientist: theory of Evolution) 135
15. Ludwig von Beethoven (Composer) 135
16. Leonardo da Vinci (Artist, inventor) 135
17. Honore de Balzac (Writer) 130
18. Sir Isaac Newton (Mathematician, scientist) 130
19. Baruch Spinoza (Philosopher) 130
(Note that those below this level would likely be
below the 98th percentile required for MENSA)
20. George Washington (Statesman, militarist,President)125
21. Abraham Lincoln (President, lawyer) 125
22. Robert Blake (British admiral, writer) 125
23. Johann Sebastian Bach (Composer) 125
24. Josef Haydn (Composer) 120
25. Hernando Cortes (conqueror of Mexico) 115
26. Emmanual Swedenborg (Swedish religious writer) 115
27. Martin Luther (Religious reformer) 115
28. Rembrandt van Rindt (Dutch Painter) 110
29. Copernicus (Astronomer) 105
30. Cervantes (Writer: Don Quixote) 105



I think I'll apply your reasoning to my own image as well :)

08/31/2005 08:37:56 AM · #37
Originally posted by azoychka:
Voting here is done quickly and with very little objectivity. Please don't tell me you spend time voting. It is impossible to vote the number of entries in any challenge objectively and with merit. It would be hard enough to assess 10 entries let alone the required 20%. Why is it you think some members desire more? What is lacking in these ribbon pictures?


I think your right. People don't take the time to appreciate the photos they are voting on. I got peeved when people were commenting that my model looked mad and like she was going to kill someone. (actually i laughed at the 1 that said it looked like she wanted to kill). My point is...if they had taken the time they would see that it was titled ICY white! I was not just refering to the temp of the milk!

I think creativity is a gift...and I for one hope that will be rewarded in future challenges.
 08/31/2005 08:39:09 AM · #38
Well stated Jinjit. Wouldn't it be nice...............I'm in rgo!
 08/31/2005 08:40:47 AM · #39
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
Originally posted by rgo:
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
I've taken the liberty of calculating some DPC voters' I.Q.s:


I think Slippy should get plenty of 10s in the next challenge he enters. Lemme know which shot it would be...I'm serious :) Who else is in?


WEEEE! It actually meets the challenge, actually are two shoes in it!


J H C...Someone offers you a deal and you mock it? Seriously. PM me the image id :)

And do it quick, before SC puts a stop to this campaign.
 08/31/2005 08:41:25 AM · #40
troberge I also think creativity is a gift and I also believe that we all are creative.
08/31/2005 08:41:29 AM · #41
Being creative is easy.
But creativity without skill is just another bad snapshot.

I wish I had had time this past week to try a splash shot. I thought this was a great challenge topic to try out the skill of stopped motion under controlled circumstances.

It really is nice to see all the different ways people tried to achieve their splashes--I found myself comparing shutter speeds and aperatures and reading the technical notes (when provided). Yeah, if you've done it before maybe you already know that 1/250 sec is sufficient to capture the splash, or that you need to stop down to f/11 when at close range to eke out enough depth of field. But in a "basic" challenge you have to expect that many people are trying these things for the first time--and they're not necessarily entering for you and your amazement.

Maybe I'll get around to making a high-contrast splash this week.
=)
 08/31/2005 08:41:42 AM · #42
Originally posted by Ennil:
I'm really disapointed with DPchallenge, I thought we got passed the pupppies and kittens page but I guess not. There's really an idea in DPCers mind, a conceptual peace would not do well here, an interesting fashion neither, all that could finish in the top 10 are colouful, sharp, clear and commercial like picture.

The challenge in here is not to make great pictures that'll fit into the challenge, it's to please the viewer. So if you spend a 100% of your time here, there will be no freedom left to your art.


I for one just want to say Ennil, that I LOVED your shot! I hope that you will always stay with your creative side as I think you have a real talent.
 08/31/2005 08:44:50 AM · #43
When I saw the winners....I was shocked. The actual winner I gave a very high 8.

But there were SOOOOO many other photos I think should have gotten much higher scores.

Just my opinion.
 08/31/2005 08:46:20 AM · #44
Originally posted by KaDi:
Maybe I'll get around to making a high-contrast splash this week.
=)


OK, I think I'd like to see this...Would be an interesting creation process, I bet...
And yeah, I'd tend to think that splashes would be unexpected in the context of high contrast, and yeah, that might lend such an image a more interesting quotient.
 08/31/2005 08:46:40 AM · #45
Originally posted by KaDi:
Being creative is easy.
But creativity without skill is just another bad snapshot.

=)


But what if you get a commment that tells you you were too creative? I'm still at a loss for words on that one. Actually, I got 2 comments that said that.

g
 08/31/2005 08:46:47 AM · #46
Originally posted by Ennil:
I'm really disapointed with DPchallenge, I thought we got passed the pupppies and kittens page but I guess not. There's really an idea in DPCers mind, a conceptual peace would not do well here, an interesting fashion neither, all that could finish in the top 10 are colouful, sharp, clear and commercial like picture.

The challenge in here is not to make great pictures that'll fit into the challenge, it's to please the viewer. So if you spend a 100% of your time here, there will be no freedom left to your art.


^coming from a 14 year-old yet....Bravo! Standing ovation!!!!!!!!

Message edited by author 2005-08-31 08:48:12.
 08/31/2005 08:49:45 AM · #47
i hold cliche images to a much higher standard. If we have seen it beforem, you have got to do it well to impress me.
Graphicfunks was my tip to win it - he took somethink mundane, and made it flashy. I've never seen a splash before trying to get back in the bottle. It was original, and technically strong. I 10'd it.

As far as small morsel in a bowl of cream/milk goes (and it doesnt matter what the liquid it, everyone fixes thier curves to make it white anyway) agwright was the only one that cut it for me.And the only one i scored particularly high. We have seen it a billion times - thres even a how to one it. And yet his was the *only* one without gross technical flaws. Many didnt capture a crisp splash. Many had the morsel with a motion blur insted of froven in the splash. Many cropped half thier splash or ripple out of the image.
I'm sorry but if youre going to photograph something so lacking of an original thought, you better get the technically side down, becayuse that is all that is going for you.

I had a photo that looked like no other in this challenge, and i got a comment on how my photo had been done too many times - go figure. If that was the case, shouldnt i have ribboned???
 08/31/2005 09:03:04 AM · #48
The challenge topic itself was just crying out for repetition. Every one of the top 10 shots has been done at least a zillion times - at 400+ total votes, obviously the voters have spoken ... it is what it is.

I spent a lot of time setting up my shot. My wife spent a lot of time doing her hair and makeup. I like my shot a lot - but in the end, it was one of my lowest scoring challenges ...

... no big deal ... we get to start again from scratch this week :)
 08/31/2005 09:03:18 AM · #49
When you submit your images to DPC, consider the audience. You are not submitting to an official print competition where your images will be thoroughly evaluated based on artistic concepts, technicalities, and impact among other things. This is a place where anyone with a digital camera can submit to a challenge and evaluate the photos of others. If you want professional critiques, this isn't the place. I became very frustrated here, and this is why I no longer participate in challenges. I enjoy taking photos much more now because of it.
So if you're feeling a little disappointed in the results, remember who the audience is. If they like strawberry splashes, well let them! It's obviously the majority that feel this way. If you disagree, that's fine too but DPC is 1/2 a test of how well you know your audience and 1/2 a test of actual photography. You need to know how to fulfill both to do well in challenges.
 08/31/2005 09:03:44 AM · #50
Originally posted by rgo:
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
Originally posted by rgo:
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
I've taken the liberty of calculating some DPC voters' I.Q.s:


I think Slippy should get plenty of 10s in the next challenge he enters. Lemme know which shot it would be...I'm serious :) Who else is in?


WEEEE! It actually meets the challenge, actually are two shoes in it!


J H C...Someone offers you a deal and you mock it? Seriously. PM me the image id :)

And do it quick, before SC puts a stop to this campaign.


LOL, I'm not mocking, and thanks very much for the campaign, I do appreciate it! But I'd have too much guilt if I took advantage. Maybe someday I'll grow the skill to pull my ideas off better. :-D
Thanks for the sentiment. :-)
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