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 08/19/2005 10:06:46 AM · #26
OK, I'm going to dredge this up one more time. Thanks everybody for the great tips. I've learned a lot.

Because of the nude challenge, I thought of a few more things.

Ask your model to wear loose fitting clothing, and preferably no underwear, to the shoot. Of course, you've got to explain this, so they don't think you're a creep. Anything tight leaves impressions on the skin.

If your model does have impressions, a warm damp washcloth applied to the area will help remove it.

Message edited by author 2005-08-19 10:07:08.
 08/19/2005 11:08:02 AM · #27
Originally posted by greatandsmall:
Ask your model to wear loose fitting clothing, and preferably no underwear, to the shoot. Of course, you've got to explain this, so they don't think you're a creep. Anything tight leaves impressions on the skin.

If your model does have impressions, a warm damp washcloth applied to the area will help remove it.


Is the use of the washcloth something the photographer gets to do? If so, I'm thinking they might decide NOT to mention the underwear thing in advance. ;-P
 08/19/2005 11:51:37 AM · #28
Originally posted by kpriest:
Originally posted by greatandsmall:
Ask your model to wear loose fitting clothing, and preferably no underwear, to the shoot. Of course, you've got to explain this, so they don't think you're a creep. Anything tight leaves impressions on the skin.

If your model does have impressions, a warm damp washcloth applied to the area will help remove it.


Is the use of the washcloth something the photographer gets to do? If so, I'm thinking they might decide NOT to mention the underwear thing in advance. ;-P


Oh Ken! I was trying to decide whether it would be you or notonline to say something like that. I suppose if the model is your SO, you may do as you like, otherwise it might be wise to seek counsel before proceeding with the washcloth;)
 08/19/2005 11:59:10 AM · #29
Originally posted by greatandsmall:
OK, I'm going to dredge this up one more time. Thanks everybody for the great tips. I've learned a lot.

Because of the nude challenge, I thought of a few more things.

Ask your model to wear loose fitting clothing, and preferably no underwear, to the shoot. Of course, you've got to explain this, so they don't think you're a creep. Anything tight leaves impressions on the skin.

If your model does have impressions, a warm damp washcloth applied to the area will help remove it.


care to show us an example??? :D
 08/19/2005 12:06:25 PM · #30
Originally posted by notonline:

care to show us an example??? :D


Counldn't resist, could you?
 08/19/2005 12:08:34 PM · #31
I really appreciate this info. I am planning doing a Saturday afternoon with with one of my friends who is an experienced ex-pro portrait and stock photographer and shooting a girl I know and maybe my sister down at the ChiangKaiShek Memorial Hall Park. It's a pretty stunning park at certain times of the day.

Obviously, it would be my very first time shooting a model and her first time modeling, so I'm pretty nervous about the whole idea. I am pretty sure it's going to bore her to tears as I play back and forth through setup options. My photographer friend is really busy, so I'll probably end up doing all or most of the shoot solo. I can be a real moron sometimes when doing stuff that is new to me.

Your post is so good, it should almost be placed as a tutorial. It is very encouraging.

I'm really hoping to find a place that I can rent equipment before the shoot...
 08/19/2005 12:14:10 PM · #32
Originally posted by greatandsmall:
Originally posted by notonline:

care to show us an example??? :D


Counldn't resist, could you?


damn, if you weren't married I'd come down to visit. :D And no I couldn't resist. How could I resist you???
 08/19/2005 12:21:51 PM · #33
Originally posted by eschelar:
I am pretty sure it's going to bore her to tears as I play back and forth through setup options.


That happens. Have a good idea of what you want beforehand and just give 'er. I often take a break and just stand there..staring...thinking. It's your right as the artist :-). It's when you start to sweat and look out of your mind that your client/subject gets worried.
:-)
 08/19/2005 12:26:52 PM · #34
Originally posted by greatandsmall:


I'm an old lady now, but I did a little modeling in my 20s.


OLD, you are just a baby.
 08/19/2005 12:39:46 PM · #35
Originally posted by rjpat:
Originally posted by greatandsmall:


I'm an old lady now, but I did a little modeling in my 20s.


OLD, you are just a baby.


LOL, I wish I could tell that to the camera.

Which brings up another tip...The sun is BAD for skin. Light skin usually looks much better in photos (especially BW), unless you are doing the beach bunny thing. So if you're planning a shoot, your model may want to avoid getting a suntan/burn for a while beforehand.

Message edited by author 2005-08-19 15:55:04.
 08/19/2005 12:46:07 PM · #36
Originally posted by greatandsmall:
Which brings up another tip...The sun is BAD for skin. Light skin usually looks much better in photos (especially BW), unless you are doing the beach bunnie thing. So if you're planning a shoot, your model may want to avoid getting a suntan/burn for a while beforehand.

Dang! There goes my question about rubbing on the suntan oil.
 08/19/2005 12:49:07 PM · #37
LOL. Ken & Kevin, maybe you guys should stick to photographing woodies! Oh, and keep the photos to yourselves! 8^0

Edit: PS Eschelar...good luck on your shoot. You'll be fine. One of my photographers had a habit of sneaking candid shots when the model wasn't paying attention. He got some good stuff that way, and it helped break the ice a little.

Message edited by author 2005-08-19 12:54:06.
 08/19/2005 01:22:31 PM · #38
Originally posted by greatandsmall:
LOL. Ken & Kevin, maybe you guys should stick to photographing woodies! Oh, and keep the photos to yourselves! 8^0


Of course, were not allowed to enter those into a challenge but for you... just ask. lol
 08/19/2005 01:38:14 PM · #39
Kevin,

Are you sure you want your name associated with this thread? ;)
 08/19/2005 01:39:38 PM · #40
Originally posted by notonline:
Originally posted by greatandsmall:
LOL. Ken & Kevin, maybe you guys should stick to photographing woodies! Oh, and keep the photos to yourselves! 8^0


Of course, were not allowed to enter those into a challenge but for you... just ask. lol

08/19/2005 01:41:18 PM · #41
Originally posted by kpriest:
Originally posted by notonline:
Originally posted by greatandsmall:
LOL. Ken & Kevin, maybe you guys should stick to photographing woodies! Oh, and keep the photos to yourselves! 8^0


Of course, were not allowed to enter those into a challenge but for you... just ask. lol



OK Ken,
If you're going to contribute to my thread, you have to give tips on how to prepare a model for a shot like that.
 08/19/2005 01:41:27 PM · #42
Originally posted by greatandsmall:
Kevin,

Are you sure you want your name associated with this thread? ;)


lol for you its not a problem. Thats the name associated with this account.
 08/19/2005 01:42:33 PM · #43
Originally posted by greatandsmall:
Originally posted by kpriest:
Originally posted by notonline:
Originally posted by greatandsmall:
LOL. Ken & Kevin, maybe you guys should stick to photographing woodies! Oh, and keep the photos to yourselves! 8^0


Of course, were not allowed to enter those into a challenge but for you... just ask. lol



Thats a girl????

OK Ken,
If you're going to contribute to my thread, you have to give tips on how to prepare a model for a shot like that.

08/19/2005 01:43:09 PM · #44
Originally posted by greatandsmall:
OK Ken,
If you're going to contribute to my thread, you have to give tips on how to prepare a model for a shot like that.

Wet T-shirt. Need I say more? LOL

Actually that was a bucket of ice water for Kevin.
 08/19/2005 01:44:03 PM · #45
Originally posted by kpriest:
Originally posted by greatandsmall:
OK Ken,
If you're going to contribute to my thread, you have to give tips on how to prepare a model for a shot like that.

Wet T-shirt. Need I say more? LOL

Actually that was a bucket of ice water for Kevin.


lol please. I'm too tired. It's way past my nap time.
 08/19/2005 03:02:51 PM · #46
Originally posted by greatandsmall:
Originally posted by kpriest:
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OK Ken,
If you're going to contribute to my thread, you have to give tips on how to prepare a model for a shot like that.


The preparation for a shot like goes, "Close your eyes while I count to 3 . . . ."

hehe
 08/19/2005 03:05:32 PM · #47
Originally posted by KevinRiggs:
The preparation for a shot like goes, "Close your eyes while I count to 3 . . . ."



edit: Sorry - I am realizing this Loooonnnnggg post is made even longer by people like me. I'm done derailing.

Message edited by author 2005-08-19 15:07:28.
 08/19/2005 03:13:15 PM · #48
Originally posted by kpriest:

edit: Sorry - I am realizing this Loooonnnnggg post is made even longer by people like me. I'm done derailing.


No worries. I think it was already dead. Besides, I can always use a good laugh.
 08/19/2005 03:15:12 PM · #49
When working with models or even aspiring models I've found comments such as "Dayum! Yur shure HOT!" can be counterproductive.

In a serious vein, I've found Gil P's suggestions to me to take more time and be more demanding of the photo that I compose such that its true to my vision to be the most productive. Once I learned my equipment, I found that expecting a higher quality work out of myself vis~a~vis the quantity of work made a difference. I can't make a subject stand still or wait until inspiration hits me but I can put effort into a shoot beforehand and then be open to taking time to stand around and feel the energy of the location as well as stop to listen to my own psychoses which tell me what it is that I like about the shot. Lori's got a point that sometimes the subject may just have to wait while you muster your creativity and direction.

P.S. - so where do I signup to shoot these more mature models?

Kev
 08/21/2005 12:57:05 AM · #50
A really good suggestion I heard lately is to advise your model not to stay out late and party the night before. That can make for a rough look the morning after.

In the case of photographing teenagers,I find that they love to look solemn but their parents are paying for the photos and they love to see them smile. I go for a little of both looks. I like to please the teen becasue they will ask their parent to call me next time and they will show their friends who may ask their parents to use my services. But you have to please the parents, or they ain't buying. To get a smile from a bored uncooperative, solemn teenager means having to think on their level. I ususlly get better results when I ask the model to think about something that I know they are interested in.Music, cars, etc... but you have to be careful, they'll know if you really don't care, so CARE. For instance, when I photographed my friend's teenage son recently, I made conversation with him while I was shooting, asking him about his new car and in one case telling him that his Mom said he had met someone really nice in Florida recently. This brought a very pleased look on his face and a secret smile without me having to ask for it. I didn't try to get him to talk about the girl he had met. I knew that would embarass him, I was just going for that "just between you and me" mischievous look look that I got.
Some examples:


What do you all think about these?
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