Canon Europe releases 5D, 1DMIIN, 24-105 f4IS

08/16/2005 06:50:02 PM · #1

They slipped up or are trying to creaste hype I guess, but it seems that the europe site released a page that has these products plus the 430 EX flash as well. It was soon taken down but somebody saved the screenshot.

//www.p5freak.de/images/cps.gif

A French photo mag. seems to be confiming the 5D, with a price of 3499 euros, which seems really expensive.

//www2.photim.com/info/Sommaire.php

I wonder what the 1D Mark II N is all about, will it have more stuff for more price or less/same for less price?

Message edited by author 2005-08-16 18:52:36.

kyebosh

Canon EOS-20D

Canon EF 80-200mm f/2.8L

08/16/2005 06:58:24 PM · #2

The first one was supposedly a hacking of the site, or at least something that wasn't supposed to happen. It only was up for a very short amount of time. A correct release would have stayed up. The second site is up for debate still... it might be real though.

The 1DMIIn from what i've heard will still be 8.2mp but with a larger LCD and pretty much the same features. I'm really wondering why canon would do that... but Nikon did it with the D2H/D2Hs... I would think they would upgrade to 11/12mp at least.

08/16/2005 07:00:26 PM · #3

The 1DMII is the oldest in the line up. Maybe it need refreshening before it is replaced. I hope along with a bigger LCD, they drop the price. That would make me think about getting it instead of the 20D replacement.

kyebosh

Canon EOS-20D

Canon EF 80-200mm f/2.8L

08/16/2005 07:02:03 PM · #4

Originally posted by yido:

I've heard nothing about a 20D replacement yet.

kyebosh

Canon EOS-20D

Canon EF 80-200mm f/2.8L

08/16/2005 07:06:19 PM · #5

btw... 24-105mm L 4.0 IS

Message edited by author 2005-08-16 19:06:42.

08/16/2005 07:06:50 PM · #6

Seeing as the Nikon 2DHs, which is suppose to compete with the 1D MII, is going for about $3000, I'm hoping that the 1DMIIN will meet or beat that price. Now that would be nice.
As for the 20D replacement, I'm expecting Canon to follow their 18 month cycle and release it on Feb of 06. They released the d60, d30, and the 10D on Feb of the year, but broke that by releasing the 20D in august 2004. If the 20D replacement isn't being announced this month, then the next opportunity seems to be Feb. I'm just speculating. That's all.

Canon EF 300mm f/2.8L IS USM

08/16/2005 07:09:45 PM · #7

Originally posted by kyebosh:

btw... 24-105mm L 4.0 IS

Yup, there's not enough space to type all that, including the 430EX. Now if anyone gets excited about an updated flash, they must really like flash photography :)

Skip

Canon EOS-1D X

08/16/2005 07:24:52 PM · #8

just for grins...

here's the google translation of the french page:
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"Grabuge on the range Gun!

16 08 2005
Once more, Canon makes the topicality: initially with learnedly organized rumours... which announce one barded of new quite real products, which will be officially presented the next week.

It is from now on a tradition: each year, as of the end of the holidays, Canon cuts down its charts and reveals its products "of Christmas". 2005 thus do not make departures from the rule and Canon has just invited the French press with a briefing which will take place Monday next 22 August.

Of course, no official information is communicated before... if not, that would not be worth the sorrow to move. Gun announces simply that it will not reveal, this day, less than 33 new products: printers, numerical video and numerical photograph.

The fact remains that, as usual, of the rumours started to filter and that, on all forums Internet, one does not speak any more but about the EOS 5D...

The step is traditional and we now have the certainty which the persons in charge for Gun distil themselves these rumours with an aim of making assemble the pressure and to give more impact to their launching. Grondement of forums Internet is a formidable free publicity for a product which all the more excites the curiosity which it is rare and seems well hidden. One thus attends the small play of the pages which appear and disappear surreptitiously on such or such site, just time necessary so that some devoted Net surfers make publicity of it while offering themselves a delicious moment of gloriole personal. Curious time...

It happens that the rumours are whimsical. In the case of the EOS 5D, they are not it! Gun does not hide besides that it works on the arrival of the "5th element" and its characteristics are from now on certain.

- maximum Resolution: 12.720.000 pixels (4.468 X 2.912)
- Size of the sensor: 24 X 36 mm!
- Rate engine: 3 images/seconde in full resolution
- probable Price: 3.400 euros, naked (but with how much will the "price of the street" be?
- Option: Bg-e4 handle: 199 euros
- Availability: first specimens at the end of October.

Since pre-information functioned well, undoubtedly do you await Hunter of Images a little more? We thus deliver to you, in preview, our feeling on this "great innovation" which shakes the forums but how only the most silver plated will be able to offer itself!

*** ATTENTION: AT GUN TWO RANGES... AND A PIT!
*** WHICH FUTURE FOR The OPTICAL RANGE Ef-s?

These five lines are enough to brush the portrait of the future EOS 5D (considering its positioning, "EOS 3d" would be more logical...) and should cause some squeakings of teeth among amateurs who started to be equipped in Ef-s objectives... only usable on the apparatuses with small sensor.

With the difference of Nikon and Olympus, which communicated to great cries on the merits of the small sensors, Canon always played on the two tables. But until now, there was a very broad gap between the apparatuses general public, with their small Cmos (EOS 300D, 350D and even 10D and 20D) and the apparatuses professional, of the Eos-1d series, with their large sensor "full frame" cuts 24x 36 of it.

New the 5D comes to position in the medium: in 3500 euros naked, it will not interest general public, but only the large experts and the pros... No the problem for this positioning, which points out obviously that of the EOS 3 into silver... but, on the other hand, those which had chosen as case of waiting a 300D or a 350D and had been equipped in Ef-s objectives will feel "maroon": if they want with the 5D, they will have to also change optics!

The choice of a sensor cuts 24x36 on the 5D is fully justified technical point of view (it is the only means of reconciling high resolution and sensitivity), but it is full of consequence at the same time for compatibility (the Ef-s objectives ARE EXCLUDED), but also for the choice of future optics.

In fact, and without denying the probable advantages of the EOS 5D, the advertisement of this apparatus clearly raises the question of the perennity of the range optiqe Ef-s... which, at the beginning, included/understood only one cheap zoom but which was packed little by little to the top of range. Those which chose an expensive Ef-s optics recently certainly will bite the fingers of them. With the 5D, Canon shows that the solution full-frame can be democratized: if the apparatus sees its price dropping or if its successors go in the direction of the history, the Ef-s range will seem a dead end!

*** WHICH OBJECTIVES FOR THE 5CD? Not obvious of the whole...

Our tests, indeed, showed that the Eos-1d cases do not marry always well with optics of the traditional range Canon EF. With the wire of the months, we even showed that some of these objectives, which were fabulous on film, give piÃ¨trres results on a Cmo sensor cuts 24x36!
Numerically, ONE NEEDS the optics especially studied for the numerical one! The EOS 5D thus will pose a true problem with the amateurs: not only it will be a very expensive apparatus (3500 euros naked, it is a beautiful budget for an amateur!), but it will be necessary to offer to him optics of very high flight, the possibility of recycling old objectives being not very possible.

One can imagine the desarroi those which had invested in a general public kit: if they want to reach the 12 million pixels of the EOS 5D, they will have to choose equipment... five times more expensive (case 5D + transtandard special numerical).
Only the most silver plated will jump the step and there will be thus from now on, in the range of the numerical reflex cameras Canon, two "clans" separated by the force from finances. It is probable that many pioneers of numerical will find the pill lasts to swallow: they will need, with the choice, "to resign itself" to remain in the range "reflex camera amateur" (the S of Ef-s then wanting to say "small"...) or to break their moneybox to change camp and to choose the ruinous version pro. AÃ¯e!

These precise details being made, force is to note that the 5D is announced like a very beautiful apparatus. It will be with the numerical range what was Eos-3 with the silver range: a superb expert apparatus, neither also heavy nor as rapid as Eos-1 Mark II (or III...) but rendering the same services almost since it will have the same sensor appreciably.

Side gives rhythm, the 5D will be able to turn to 3 images/seconde out of 60 consecutive releases in JPEG or on 17 sights of continuation in mode RAW. Its autofocus works on 9 distinct beaches with a small innovation: 6 beaches remain invisible (not announced in the sight).
The apparatus weighs 730 grams and has same dimensions appreciably as a 20D, except for the higher cap, "pasted more".
With the back, or finds a screen LCD 2,5"of 230.000 pixels giving traditional access to the menus, like with the images (possibility of posting the histograms).
Gun preserves the recording of the images on CompactFlash chart (ouf... one has escaped with the SD!) and the 5D equips with a port USB2. On the other hand, we do not have any information on hypothetical connections without wire.

Here, you know essence... the good news, it is the arrival of one 12 Mpix with 3.500 euros, the bad one, it is the ditch which Canon hollow between "small amateurs" and "expert amateurs" via the insulation of the customers equipped recently in Ef-s objectives.

Gun is not mistaken there besides; the EOS 5D should quickly be proposed in kit with an objective which seems to be drawn for him: one 24-105 f/4 L IS.
Undoubtedly a beautiful part of optics, but which confirms the very top-of-the-range vocation of the future "5th dimension" since the basic kit could then exceed the 5.000 euros (5 times the price of a kit 350D!!!).
The experts will appreciate, but general public will certainly continue to track promotions on the 350D...

*** In the long run: WHICH FUTURE FOR the NUMERICAL REFLEX CAMERAS with "Small sensor"?

Although its price is muscÃ©, compared with that of a 350D, the future EOS 5D mark a new step ahead since it has the same sensor appreciably as a EOS 1 less expensive Mark II for half. Of course, Canon made some concessions, in particular as regards integration of electronics (only one one-way circuit manages the whole of the processes). But the fact remains that the exit at this price of a sensor 12 Mpix is an exploit.

It is thus legitimate to wonder whether, from here a few months, Canon would not be tempted to rock all its reflex cameras towards the "full frame" 24x36! With that, several reasons:
- with the sensors cuts APS, one arrives at the physical limits of the miniaturization. To place 12 million pixels on such a small surface, the manufacturers are obliged to only decrease the size of each element sensitive to a few microns. It will be difficult to go further.
- to continue to increase the resolution, while maintaining a good sensitivity and a level of acceptable noise, it is thus logical... of going towards larger sensors. Gun reserved this possibility, whereas Nikon and Olympus clearly closed the door.
- the problems of the very short focal distances and depth of field still are not solved perfectly with the small sensors. From where temptation, once again, to return towards the format 24x36.

Gun has, like one says, "of the reserve under the foot" and does not close any possibility. Apart from the some already marketed Ef-s objectives, and which solve the temporary problem of the apparatuses with small sensor, nothing does not prevent Canon from setting out again towards the numerical 24x36. At six months, it is impossible for reasons of cost, but at two years...

For the curious ones and the most pressed, let us specify that, among the other innovations of this end of month, we will find new Ixus, including one 55 (5 Mpix, 350e) and one 600 (7 Mpix, 450 E). the rumour also speaks about a new EOS 1 Mark-III but there, let us be honest, know we much less!

Of course, one says some to you more as soon as the official infos fall...

* Guy-Michel *

For information;
bond towards a chart of the EOS 5D... which already made the turn of the world:
//alex.netfun.ro/Canon5D-specs.pdf "

tazza

Canon EOS-350D Rebel XT

Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di for Canon

08/16/2005 07:44:35 PM · #9

Originally posted by skiprow:

just for grins...

here's the google translation of the french page:

Lol, I could do a better job! Translating "Canon" into "Gun"... computers are stupid !

nsbca7

Mattel Barbie Photo Designer Digital Camera

08/16/2005 07:51:18 PM · #10

Ahhh! Those French talk so funny!

08/16/2005 07:55:34 PM · #11

Perhaps we should all cross out "Canon" on our cameras and put "Gun" on it when we are in France.