About Time Capsule Scoring - DPChallenge Forums

08/15/2005 03:40:49 PM · #26

Falc - I agree with your analogy of blue challenge and red entry, however in this case the challenge description did specifically mention the title should be the year of the time capsule being represented.

We're not talking about a challenge being met or not because just about anything goes (image subject) for a suggested 'Time Capsule'. It's not as simple as black & white, or blue & red.

When the title is something else, perhaps even descriptive, isn't that trying to gain an unfair advantage? Yes, I know you could ignore the title (although that would be VERY difficult to do), but if the title helps give the image some perspective that would otherwise not be gained...doesn't seem quite right.

JayWalk

Canon EOS-6D

08/15/2005 03:41:07 PM · #27

What if your picture could span multiple years.. and captures an era rather than a "four digit" year. Would that be acceptible? Would you mark them down for that or should they just pick any year in the era and just run with it?

I always support any opinions and feel that voters all have a right to vote on a picture however they see fit. I just find it funny to see how much emphasis is put on a title for a photography challenge.

In fact I even got a comment from somebody that they were increaseing my score from a 3 to 4, but would have given me a 8 had I not included 2 extra words, which made me laugh!

edit: Just to add something, I think the end results are going to be very interesting as 7 of my top 10 all have words in them. Curious to see where they will end up finishing.

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elderell

Fujifilm FinePix S5000 Z

08/15/2005 03:44:13 PM · #28

Originally posted by Falc:

Sorry but you are all wrong. Marking a photo down because the title doesn't fit the suggested format is just plain wrong. The site is about photography, therefore assess the image qualities.

If the challenge was take aphoto of something blue and the IMAGE submitted was something red, then I can accept that the challenge has not been met. Thats a whole world away from what we see in this challenge.

If the challenge was "something blue" and someone contributed a good shot of a tearful REDDENED eye,I would give it a high score,because it showed sadness,i.e.BLUE..

bucket

08/15/2005 03:44:52 PM · #29

Originally posted by coolhar:

Are these people reading the details and then intentionally disregarding them?
My biggest gripe about all this anything-in-the-name-of-creativity thinking is that it works against the well intentioned users that make a sincere effort to comply with the rules, guidelines and suggestions. These people are sacrifacing better scores to fit the mold while others are flaunting non-compliance and being rewarded by the voters while the SC twiddles in indecision.

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I don't understand how people who don't view challenges the same way as you are not "well intentioned". I agree with Falc..and am personally only interested in letting the challenges inspire me to shoot, get the occasional piece of helpful feedback, and have fun. Whether or not in any given challenge someone thinks that I, or anyone else, has a different take on it..so be it..there is nothing at stake here.

The most important thing in voting for me is to NOT vote punitively.

I like finding different ways of meeting challenges..like in Naturally Framed..and am fine with the results.
I don't have a shot in Time Capsule either.
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08/15/2005 03:45:37 PM · #30

...well, it was mentioned in the challenge description so it shouldn't be irrelevant...

Originally posted by JayWalk:

I just find it funny to see how much emphasis is put on a title for a photography challenge.

JayWalk

Canon EOS-6D

Canon EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM

08/15/2005 03:46:56 PM · #31

Originally posted by glad2badad:

...well, it was mentioned in the challenge description so it shouldn't be irrelevant...

Originally posted by JayWalk:
I just find it funny to see how much emphasis is put on a title for a photography challenge.

I agree it shouldn't be irrelevant. Mark it down a point or so if you want, but I just think doing any more is going too far.

Balko

Canon EOS-400D Rebel XTi

08/15/2005 03:52:05 PM · #32

Originally posted by glad2badad:

Precisely.

The way the challenges are run is confusing and SC must step in. If we are to take the challenge descriptions/rules as "suggestions", then can we take those editing rules as suggestions also? In that area, the SC comes down like a hammer. They have to be precise in all aspects of the challenge.

OdysseyF22

Panasonic DC-G9

Olympus 12-45mm f/4.0 Pro

08/15/2005 04:00:16 PM · #33

I thought this one was pretty clear cut. According to the description, there should be a title. And on a fair number of entries, the lack of a date left me thinking, "okay, what is it, and why is it important?" I couldn't place some of them.

Personally, I would have liked to see ALL the entries titled ONLY with a four digit year. However, to be realistic, I didn't vote down entries who added some sort of description. To be honest, though, any entry that had NO date in the title only got a 3 from me. They may have "met the challenge", but they didn't follow simple instructions...

I'm certain some will take issue with this, but oh well, it's how I see it. *shrug*

Bear_Music

Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra

Sony 24-70mm F4 Vario-Tessar T* FE OSS

08/15/2005 04:02:26 PM · #34

Just for the record, even though I'm one of the more "extreme" titlers out there and, beyond that, considered by some to be a champion of irrelevance (which I don't agree with but that's another story), it was clear to me that this challenge was meant to be taken literally, and my entry is titled with the 4 digits of the year only. It seems to me quite obvious that the framers of the challenge did NOT want titles to play a big part in this challenge.

Evidently a LOT of people don't agree with my "narrow" take on the challenge (jejeje).

Robt.

pinotken

Sony DSC-P73

08/15/2005 04:08:27 PM · #35

IMO, the biggest challenge in photography (in Art) is to make a statement. Making a statement that is clear, that is ambiguous, simple, complex, political, humorous, etc. - that is what makes great art. I think the time capsule challenge was to make that statement well in the photo, not the title, so I usually ignored the title when voting. (except when I couldn't figure out the date link - e.g., one of the 1984s).

08/15/2005 04:17:33 PM · #36

Originally posted by Falc:

I don't agree that we are all wrong.

When we vote on the dpc challenges we are scoring entries. Entries are made up of images and titles. I believe you are making a mistake if you base your score on the image alone and disregard the title. The title is an integral part of the entry, even if it is "untitled", or only " ... ".

Netwalker100

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6

08/15/2005 04:31:48 PM · #37

I joined here to learn more about photography. And I don't really care the name that goes in a photo. In every challenge I look what the challenge description is, and I score based on that, not the titles.

But I'm getting very dissapointed with the site, because in some of the challenges I do what I think it's my best to do a setup to take the photo. And after all the effort, I don't have any kind of constructive comment to tell me what I did wrong in the photo. And in the cases I get comments are very vague.

For this challenge my photo has been in the 4.60's-4.70's, getting several 1, 2 and 3's, and it has 14 comments and all are about the memories my photo bring to several people, not one telling me why I get the score. I have seen several times in the forums, that they have suggested that if you're giving a 1,2 or 3 score, the comment must be obligatory, why don't use it?

I can't believe that my highest photo in the time I have been here, it's a snapshot.

Sorry for the post, but I wanted to get this out.

08/15/2005 04:38:01 PM · #38

Originally posted by bucket:

I don't understand how people who don't view challenges the same way as you are not "well intentioned".

Don't think I said that.

My post was about people complying with the challenge details in regards to titles, which is not exactly the same thing as meeting the challenge topic. A person could fall under the first, fourth, or fifth of my categories and be considered "well intentioned".

bucket

08/15/2005 04:56:57 PM · #39

Originally posted by coolhar:

When we vote on the dpc challenges we are scoring entries. Entries are made up of images and titles. I believe you are making a mistake if you base your score on the image alone and disregard the title. The title is an integral part of the entry, even if it is "untitled", or only " ... ".

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I understand your point.

Personally I do not consider titles to be all that relevant when scoring, and prefer to score shots on their artistic merits primarily. I don't think people who bend the rules usually benefit in terms of scoring. Sometime a title might help me better understand how the photographer sees his/her own shot, or wants me to see it..how they go about it doesn't matter to me.

08/15/2005 05:12:49 PM · #40

Originally posted by bucket:

I understand your point.

Personally I do not consider titles to be all that relevant when scoring, and prefer to score shots on their artistic merits primarily. I don't think people who bend the rules usually benefit in terms of scoring. Sometime a title might help me better understand how the photographer sees his/her own shot, or wants me to see it..how they go about it doesn't matter to me.

This sentence appears in both the Basic and Advanced rules "While voting, users are asked to keep in highest consideration the topic of the challenge and base their rating accordingly."

While this does not address how much weight you should put on the title vs. the image, it does say that you should vote on more than artistic merits alone.

How a photographer goes about it does not matter to me either, as long as they do go about it.

As bear_music has indicated, in Time Capsule the intent for a specific type of title is about as clear as is possible.

bucket

Nikon AF Zoom-Nikkor 70-300mm f/4.0-5.6G

08/15/2005 05:22:04 PM · #41

Sorry if I made that confusing..yes I do mean artistic as relates to the theme

Most importantly originality..not titles. I find too many shots on this site are repeats (style..and sometimes content) of someone else's shots, and so the title becomes completely irrelevant.

tlalonde

Nikon D850

08/15/2005 07:06:33 PM · #42

With regards to 'thinking outside the box': The reason for a challenge is to create a box to work in. The guidelines are the walls of the box. Normally I completely ignore titles when judging. However, in this instance the rules applied to the title. Photographers who don't follow the rules get low scores.

I personally have been disqualified from a 35mm slide competition for photographing a butterfly on a tulip for a nature challenge. Why? The reason is simple. The guidelines stated that the photo could not show the hand of man. A tulip is a flower that MUST be planted by man and therefore my slide (which was scoring very high) was thrown out as soon as someone brought it to the attention of the judges.

If you are not supposed to work within the guidelines then why call it a challenge? Loose interpretation is why I quit participating.

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08/16/2005 11:56:12 AM · #43

Correct me if I am wrong, but in the Rubber Ducky challenge the SC disqualified a handful of entries for failing to follow the instructions about what to include in the shot. Apparently those instructions, which appeared in the challenge details, were more than a mere suggestion. So there is precedent should the SC decide to DQ Time Capsule entries that did not follow the instructions given in the challenge details.

08/16/2005 12:12:43 PM · #44

Yikes! What a stir that would cause. It would knock out about 2/3's of the images in the challenge!!!

Originally posted by coolhar:

...should the SC decide to DQ Time Capsule entries that did not follow the instructions given in the challenge details.

Beagleboy

Tokina AF 12-24mm f/4.0 AT-X Pro DX

08/16/2005 12:22:21 PM · #45

Originally posted by glad2badad:

Yikes! What a stir that would cause. It would knock out about 2/3's of the images in the challenge!!!

Originally posted by coolhar:
...should the SC decide to DQ Time Capsule entries that did not follow the instructions given in the challenge details.

Not necessarily a bad thing, but it won't happen. Imagine the number of flaming rant threads. Whining would hit an all-time high. It boggles the mind.

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6

08/16/2005 12:25:20 PM · #46

Those instructions were also QUITE clear...

Rules: Failure to meet the challenge should result in DQ..

Wait! There's that should word again! ;^)

Originally posted by coolhar:

KaDi

Canon EOS-300D Rebel

08/16/2005 12:27:08 PM · #47

Seems like all of this could have been avoided if the field limit on titles for this challenge had been set to 4 digits.

08/16/2005 12:52:15 PM · #48

I like the way you think! ;^)

@oh2, Me04, This, Cool, Like...they'd still come up with something!

edit to add - limit the field to 4 digits and numeric only.

Originally posted by KaDi:

Seems like all of this could have been avoided if the field limit on titles for this challenge had been set to 4 digits.

Message edited by author 2005-08-16 12:52:53.

JayWalk

Canon EOS-6D

08/16/2005 12:54:25 PM · #49

I just want to say that my score has dropped by .2 over the past 2 days since this post went up. Looks like the dark side is winning.

dahkota

Canon EOS-7D