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08/10/2005 02:56:11 AM · #26 |
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08/10/2005 03:01:09 AM · #27 |
hey i ve just done a photo for the time capsule, it's outta the norm, and boy it's taken a beatin... but i LOVE it... i serioulsy think it's one of the most gorgeous photos i have ever done, and am definately getting it printed and put up on the wall......
im outta the square too, and i m staying there.... im having too much fun exploring my own imagination... it's really fun in there.. kekek...
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08/10/2005 03:04:26 AM · #28 |
Well, I missed bear's pic in the voting, but would've voted it low because it doesn't meet my interpretation of the challenge. I can't even count how many times I have said this, but people can feel free to submit their interpretation of any challenge and should not be dis'd for doing it, BUT voters should also feel free to vote based on their interpretation of the challenge and ALSO not be dis'd for it.
That's my interpretation, anyway. And while I disagree with Fibre Optix' tone - bear, you are not completely innocent in this thread, IMO:
Originally posted by bear_music:
To be honest, I got really bored voting this challenge, with wave after wave of shots of the same damned thing and very little evidence that more than a handful of people bothered to really EXPLORE the concept of affluence & wealth and make a personal statement about it. |
Your opinion is that most of the shots were mindlessly taken and submitted without the deep exploration of the human condition that you put into your shot. ;-) Think about it.
The last thing I would probably say is that I think the most appropriate place to "explain" your entry or "answer people's questions" about a particular entry is by posting them on your entry where the folks that asked (and / or cared) can go back and look at them. These kinds of threads are just always asking for bickering.
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08/10/2005 03:10:05 AM · #29 |
Robert, for what it's worth -- some of us did get it and like it just the way it is.
To those not seeing the connection with material wealth -- look at the cosmetic industry, make-up or surgeon, that rake in the dough or visit a retirement home and listen to the stories of yester year. A great deal of wealth is paid to retain, and even more would be paid to regain, the material of youth.
I watched a show once, don't remember the name, of a future where the essense of life could be drained from someone, stored in a bottle and restored at will. This essense quickly became the only currency worth exchanging anything for -- youth, the only real wealth. We're not that far from it now -- the youth is just harder to restore. :p
David
Message edited by author 2005-08-10 03:12:40.
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08/10/2005 10:07:59 AM · #30 |
hehe.. a stretch but ok...
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08/10/2005 11:26:11 AM · #31 |
Originally posted by kpriest:
Originally posted by bear_music:
To be honest, I got really bored voting this challenge, with wave after wave of shots of the same damned thing and very little evidence that more than a handful of people bothered to really EXPLORE the concept of affluence & wealth and make a personal statement about it. |
Your opinion is that most of the shots were mindlessly taken and submitted without the deep exploration of the human condition that you put into your shot. ;-) Think about it.
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I never said "mindlessly taken" and I don't think it's fair to imply that this is what I meant. I am expressing a personal opinion that I, for one, would be happy if more people looked beyond the obvious in making entries to challenges like this one. I don't for one minute think that a majority, or even a significant minority, of the pictures submitted to DPC challenges are "mindlessly" executed.
Surely I'm entitled to express my own philosophical ruminations on this? Hell, ALL my high scores in this one, with a couple exceptions, went to images well inside-the-box, because they seemed to me photographically the best-executed and most evocative. But a guy can dream, can't he?
Peace, Robt.
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08/10/2005 12:30:17 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by bear_music:
I never said "mindlessly taken" and I don't think it's fair to imply that this is what I meant. I am expressing a personal opinion that I, for one, would be happy if more people looked beyond the obvious in making entries to challenges like this one. I don't for one minute think that a majority, or even a significant minority, of the pictures submitted to DPC challenges are "mindlessly" executed. |
This is true - I was paraphrasing, based on your expressed opinion that (again, paraphrasing) only a handful of people "bothered to really Explore..." - That would seem to me to leave the majority submitting photos without exploring the concept of affluence & wealth. That's pretty presumptuous, dontcha think? Maybe a whole lot of people explored the concept for the first six days - taking pictures of sunsets and waterfalls and blue skies and happy children and flowers and just decided to give the people what they want or go for the score and submit a hood ornament instead. ;-) I'm being a little sarcastic, but really just trying to make a point and hopefully keep you smiling.
Originally posted by bear_music:
Surely I'm entitled to express my own philosophical ruminations on this? Hell, ALL my high scores in this one, with a couple exceptions, went to images well inside-the-box, because they seemed to me photographically the best-executed and most evocative. But a guy can dream, can't he?
Peace, Robt. |
Of course you can ruminate all you want. I just see this ongoing conflict of people trying to be "out-of-the-box" and then making an issue, in one form or another, of why people didn't "get it" - or even assuming that they didn't get it, but didn't like it (for the challenge, that is).
I could probably find several examples of high scoring or even ribbon winning out-of-the-box entries (you would be even better at finding them than I), but they will inherently be rare because "the box" IS "the box" for a reason - like it or not. But who defines "out-of-the-box"? You've certainly voted down or commented on some entries for not being related to the challenge, haven't you? Seems hypocritical to me. And what if we all just assumed that the photog had some abstract connection to the challenge that we were just too box-minded to see and we just voted on the picture's quality, etc. what would be the point of having a challenge?
I didn't mean to infer that you shouldn't express your opinion, I just wanted to point out that if you do it in the forum, you are asking for a debate, if not an argument. Hopefully my posts are interpreted as reasonable debate. :)
Keep on dreamin' ...and smilin' |
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08/10/2005 12:43:46 PM · #33 |
well, just walking through no-man's land here, but I myself have not submitted photos for challenges because I am well aware that my photos will be misinterrperted. (wow, bad spelling). However, I normally NEVER think in the box and perhaps these challenges do more for me than stretch my photography talents... they make me think about what the voters would want to see. As you said bear, to be a good professional that makes money in this field, you have to surrender your wants and views and give the viewers what they want.
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08/10/2005 12:44:33 PM · #34 |
This discussion came up prior and during voting as well. I believe the point someone tried to make was that affluence meant 'a rich neighbourhood'. Well, not everyone lives in a rich neighbourhood and not everyone lives in a first world country either. A rich neighbourhood in the first world is totally different from one in the third.
Yes, voters have the right to interpret the challenge as they see fit, however, looking at the global nature of this site it could benefit to think a little about the world around us rather than our own little world.
We now return to our regularly scheduled discussion.....
Carry on.
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08/10/2005 01:00:53 PM · #35 |
I was hoping for the same. Went with a semi-political msg (I've been experimenting lately) and got hammered. Some of the comments are interesting...like "took awhile to get it" or "over my head", etc... ;^)
Affluent are buying up all the land (and proud of it), including big farm plots, in our area...will never be the same.
Sorry if this appears in any way to be a thread hijack. Not intended to be.
Originally posted by bear_music:
Here's how I go about it; when I vote on a challenge I do NOT look at an image and say, "does it meet my concept of the challenge?" Instead, I try to open my mind and see the image from other points of view, if it appears to be outside the topic. |
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08/10/2005 01:08:00 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Affluent are buying up all the land (and proud of it), including big farm plots, in our area...will never be the same.
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"Excellent photo! And a creative and unique take on the challenge. But the title is just toooooo damn long. 3" heeheehee :)
To get the thread back on track, how about bear post how he scored this. :)
edit: Still waiting for the admins to change my username to "potstirrer"
Message edited by author 2005-08-10 13:08:35. |
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08/10/2005 02:04:13 PM · #37 |
Funny Ken, however it looks like the burner has been turned off...nothing left to stir. ;^)
Originally posted by kpriest:
...Still waiting for the admins to change my username to "potstirrer" |
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08/10/2005 02:52:51 PM · #38 |
Scored it 5. Had no problem with the challenge relevance, understood the "message, but found the photo pretty average... Not bad, not wonderful, kind of in the middle. 5.
Robt.
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08/10/2005 03:59:55 PM · #39 |
Originally posted by bear_music:
Scored it 5. Had no problem with the challenge relevance, understood the "message, but found the photo pretty average... Not bad, not wonderful, kind of in the middle. 5.
Robt. |
AHA! Well, need I say more? ;-) |
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08/10/2005 05:25:32 PM · #40 |
Originally posted by bear_music:
Scored it 5. Had no problem with the challenge relevance, understood the "message, but found the photo pretty average... Not bad, not wonderful, kind of in the middle. 5.
Robt. |
You mean kinda below average, since 5.5 is average.
5 = Kinda Below
6 = Kinda Above
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08/11/2005 09:07:03 AM · #41 |
Give or take, dude, give or take... jejeje�
R.
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08/12/2005 09:03:05 AM · #42 |
Originally posted by bear_music:
Here's how I go about it; when I vote on a challenge I do NOT look at an image and say, "does it meet my concept of the challenge?" Instead, I try to open my mind and see the image from other points of view, if it appears to be outside the topic. In this case, I was immediately able to make the connection of water=wealth.
Ditto with Les Goodman's shot of the 3 girls, which speaks to me of upward mobility and growing affluence very directly.
To be honest, I got really bored voting this challenge, with wave after wave of shots of the same damned thing and very little evidence that more than a handful of people bothered to really EXPLORE the concept of affluence & wealth and make a personal statement about it. But I'm funny that way; I like to take pictures that MEAN something for challenges like this one, and I like it when others do that too.
But I'm a realist; I'm well aware that there's not a snowflake's chance in hell that images like ours, that use the topic as a starting point and move into obscure territory, will actually succeed in garnering significantly high scores, and frankly that's not my goal, or I'd shoot something "normal". I mean, Cape Cod is affluence central, it's LOADED with mansions and yachts and such, if I wanted to take advantage of them...
Robt. |
i know i could get my self in trouble here... but bear i'm with you on the way you view photos.., i actually feel sorry for people/photographers that don't see what we see.... how boring their life must be to see straight..... i love getting into that place where i can feel or see the story behind the photo, it's better than getting lost in a good book....
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08/12/2005 09:07:45 AM · #43 |
Originally posted by roadrunner:
i know i could get my self in trouble here... but bear i'm with you on the way you view photos.., i actually feel sorry for people/photographers that don't see what we see.... how boring their life must be to see straight..... i love getting into that place where i can feel or see the story behind the photo, it's better than getting lost in a good book.... |
Well said Kel. I agree totally. I am always accused of being outside the square...and probably always will be.
Judi
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