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08/04/2005 10:27:29 PM · #76

thanks for the suggestion aboutimage but honestly your picture has very little composition in it.......maybe in the world of newspaper and magazine phtography but not in the world of art........your pictures left side is pretty much vacant. The 'negative space' (art term) is void and thus boring. thanks for the suggestion but I will stay away from a photography book on composition thanks...........next time try to use all of your space...it will make for a much more interesting pic.......

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08/04/2005 10:29:15 PM · #77

I thought the essence of faith is that you're not allowed to doubt, you must believe without reservation, and regardless of any evidence (or lack thereof) of any "proof" of the existence of God.

If you have doubt or want personal evidence, you are probably agnostic or Jewish ...

Message edited by author 2005-08-04 22:29:40.

08/04/2005 10:32:48 PM · #78

sheesh general what the heck are you talking about?

08/04/2005 10:38:00 PM · #79

you know it is not appropriate to mention jewish is some strange tirade you are having......sort of takes us back to my concern about the blue ribbon winner........

08/04/2005 10:38:31 PM · #80

Originally posted by azoychka:

Like I said before, your opinion is yours. The negative space was used intentionally. I thought the little cloud right there in the middle spoke volumes about "rainmaking". Additionally, I believe if I put plenty of "stuff" in my negative space, it would no longer qualify as such ;-)

Message edited by author 2005-08-04 22:40:19.

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08/04/2005 10:38:53 PM · #81

Originally posted by azoychka:

sheesh general what the heck are you talking about?

I though you knew ... : )

Actually, just trying to repeat what I've been told or read about faith; I have little myself, except perhaps in the doctrines of Mssrs. Barnum and Murphy ...

08/04/2005 10:40:39 PM · #82

aboutimage it is more than opinion....an empty space is just that empty and that is definitely without interest and does not hold a viewers attention for long

08/04/2005 10:45:19 PM · #83

Originally posted by GeneralE:

I think that's an interesting perspective. However, I tend to feel that "faith" without reason or evidence is easily shattered. Understanding the reasons for one's faith, and having the capacity to overcome those occasional nagging doubts tends to strenghthen it even more.

Believing something without reservation, regardless of the evidence, would infer "mindless" faith. I came to my own faith after a LOT of reading and soul searching and don't consider it mindless at all.

Interesting topic, by the way. We should move it from this thread to something more appropriate ;-)

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08/04/2005 10:45:21 PM · #84

Originally posted by azoychka:

you know it is not appropriate to mention jewish is some strange tirade you are having......sort of takes us back to my concern about the blue ribbon winner........

I'm Jewish, I thought I'd be allowed to comment on that aspect of our religious viewpoint.

The thread seemed to be about whether certain images might be so patently offensive to some group or another that they should be banned. An example was given of a certain image, and one's interpretation of the meaning of religious faith would clearly have a bearing in determining the level of "offensiveness."

Discussions of art will necessarily include opinions and ideas, many of which are likely to be in conflict with one's own moral or aesthetic values. If someone is going to be offended by viewpoints other than their own, well, participating in a forum discussing art would seem rather like playing soccer in a minefield.

Message edited by author 2005-08-04 22:46:39.

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08/04/2005 10:48:28 PM · #85

Originally posted by azoychka:

you know it is not appropriate to mention jewish is some strange tirade you are having.....

Isn't this thread titled Tools of the Tirade?

08/04/2005 10:52:00 PM · #86

lol

08/04/2005 10:52:23 PM · #87

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Discussions of art will necessarily include opinions and ideas, many of which are likely to be in conflict with one's own moral or aesthetic values. If someone is going to be offended by viewpoints other than their own, well, participating in a forum discussing art would seem rather like playing soccer in a minefield.

Hilarious!

Originally posted by azoychka:

aboutimage it is more than opinion....an empty space is just that empty and that is definitely without interest and does not hold a viewers attention for long

Actually, azoychka, after reading your many many posts here, I think I can say with certainty that everything you have stated, thus far, is based on your opinion.

And if negative space was without value, it wouldn't be used to much. It may not be perceived as valuable to YOU, but that is your opinion. And as you may have noticed, your opinion does not seem to be in the majority.

There's an old saying about opinions: "Opinions are like sphincters. Everyone has one, and everyone thinks everyone else's stinks more than their own".

Perhaps it is time for you to realize that and move on. Take pictures. Express your opinion. Learn to value those of other people as much as your own and you may learn something.

08/04/2005 10:53:13 PM · #88

sheesh why did you have to be jewish....ugh this is tough work!!

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08/04/2005 10:55:27 PM · #89

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by azoychka:
you know it is not appropriate to mention jewish is some strange tirade you are having.....

Isn't this thread titled Tools of the Tirade?

Wipe down CRT screen.
Clean glasses.
Sorry, nevermind ... : )

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08/04/2005 10:58:25 PM · #90

aboutimage my point is that NEGATIVE SPACE IS VERY IMPORTANT and you are having a hard time accepting the fact that a little cloud occupping half your picture does not constitute good use of negative space......

GolferDDS

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08/04/2005 11:08:29 PM · #91

After reading this thread I am sure glad I got the 2nd place ribbon and not the blue. I can only imagine what controversy would be stirred by the dentists drill!!

Brad

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08/04/2005 11:09:28 PM · #92

Originally posted by lnede:

I can only imagine what controversy would be stirred by the dentists drill!!

No biggie - I'm sure it would have been "boring".

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08/04/2005 11:11:25 PM · #93

hey wait a minute I will get to you too.....lol

ergo

08/04/2005 11:13:04 PM · #94

Originally posted by BradP:

Originally posted by lnede:
I can only imagine what controversy would be stirred by the dentists drill!!

No biggie - I'm sure it would have been "boring".

Love your sig, Brad.

GolferDDS

Canon EOS R5

08/04/2005 11:13:30 PM · #95

Originally posted by BradP:

Originally posted by lnede:
I can only imagine what controversy would be stirred by the dentists drill!!

No biggie - I'm sure it would have been "boring".

I was thinking that the discussion would lead to something about the decay in our society.

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08/04/2005 11:15:01 PM · #96

You assume that everybody caries about the issue ...

Brad

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08/04/2005 11:16:34 PM · #97

We'll just cross that bridge when we get to it.
Should be fulfilling...

GolferDDS

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Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

08/04/2005 11:18:02 PM · #98

Originally posted by GeneralE:

You assume that everybody caries about the issue ...

That remark was really sweet.

Brad

Olympus OM-D E-M1

Olympus 40-150mm f/2.8 PRO M.Zuiko

08/04/2005 11:19:16 PM · #99

It's great we can all bond like this.