DPC Mentorship - B&W Photography

07/17/2005 08:26:16 AM · #52

Has this thread/group died out already?

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6

07/18/2005 05:25:31 PM · #53

Originally posted by Truegsht:

Has this thread/group died out already?

Nope, I hope not. I've just been travelling back from India for the last day or so and recovering from jet lag. Back and ready to go.

So I suppose I'd better read through the thread and work out what has been going on.

tristalisk

Canon EOS-350D Rebel XT

07/19/2005 03:58:26 PM · #54

Hello Muckpond you wouldn't have any assignments for your eager apprentices would you?

muckpond

Nikon D200

Sigma 15mm f/2.8 EX Diagonal Fisheye for Nikon

07/19/2005 04:03:11 PM · #55

hello! hi! no, the thread has not really died out. i was kinda waiting for people to post color images so we could work on conversion.

BUT since we're eager i'll go ahead and get my notes about converting to b/w assembled. i'll have them online quite soon. your next "assignment" (if you haven't already) is to find a completely un-retouched color photo with the qualities we discussed in step 2 and post it so that we can do a before-and-after look at the conversions.

again -- they're going to be photoshop-specific. does anyone here have an issue with that?

rasdub

Nikon D70

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 18-70mm f/3.5-4.5G IF-ED

07/19/2005 04:09:13 PM · #56

Excuse me if this is a dumb question...feel free to give me a dumb answer (hahahaha). Anyway, how do you learn about these mentor offers and where do I sign up since I am a member? I'd like to join some of these but it seems that whenever I see the posts, that the students are already picked.

Dave

muckpond

Nikon D200

Sigma 15mm f/2.8 EX Diagonal Fisheye for Nikon

07/19/2005 04:27:16 PM · #57

the groups were started by aboutimage in this thread.

it was a quick idea that kind of took on a life of its own. :)

i think most of the first round of groups are full, but you're more than welcome to read through all of the threads and pick up whatever tips you can. you can also PM the individual moderators to ask questions and whatnot.

send me a PM if you have any more questions!

rasdub

Nikon D70

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 18-70mm f/3.5-4.5G IF-ED

07/19/2005 04:56:08 PM · #58

Thanks!

07/19/2005 05:07:41 PM · #59

OK heres my 'colour' shot for conversion. Taken this morning on the way to work. I chose the location and image because of the dry stone wall in the foreground, which is going to add a solid texture at the base. There are some nice warm reds in the corn field, some greens and some blue. So we have plenty of different colour conversions we can play with.

I know the composition and subject are nothing special

Message edited by author 2005-07-19 17:08:09.

07/19/2005 06:16:30 PM · #60

A couple of things:

1 - Thanks to everyone who took the time to comment on my photos - it was very insightful and I do appreciate the feedback.

2 - Skyarcher - thank you for working on my cowboy photo, it's interesting to see what you have come up with. It's a difficult photo to do anything with.

3 - Muckpond, a slower pace is certainly welcomed by me, if you are taking votes. :-)

4 - Sorry for taking so long to reply. It just figures the moment I try to get into something to satisfy my personal life, business takes off and gets busy again.

5 - Muckpond - do you want the color photo to be resized, say to 640 on one side?

Kavey

Sigma 18-125mm f/3.5-5.6 DC for Canon

07/20/2005 01:46:46 PM · #61

Hi Folks

Here's a draft of the first part of the document I wanted to share with you about TONES.

I do want to add more to it but let me know if it's helpful as it stands and what I could add to make it so/ more so.

I'll also think more on doing one about textures, light and shadow.

Kavey

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PS I'm not sure I have a colour image suitable to share here that I haven't already converted to black and white. Those I haven't converted are generally ones I don't think would work well.

Muckpond, would you like to me to load the colour version of one I have already converted to black and white but isn't known much on DPC?

muckpond

Nikon D200

Sigma 15mm f/2.8 EX Diagonal Fisheye for Nikon

07/20/2005 02:55:52 PM · #62

Originally posted by Kavey:

Muckpond, would you like to me to load the colour version of one I have already converted to black and white but isn't known much on DPC?

i think that's great! you can also load a color version of one that IS well-known but you think could stand a stronger b/w treatment.

Originally posted by tfaust:

3 - Muckpond, a slower pace is certainly welcomed by me, if you are taking votes. :-)

yay! i didn't think anyone really needed someone ELSE breathing down their necks. ;)

Originally posted by tfaust:

4 - Sorry for taking so long to reply. It just figures the moment I try to get into something to satisfy my personal life, business takes off and gets busy again.

as we speak i have 18 boxes of kitchen cabinets being delivered. (i'm taking a break to enjoy the air conditioning.) so, i understand.

Originally posted by tfaust:

5 - Muckpond - do you want the color photo to be resized, say to 640 on one side?

sure, go ahead and upload it to your DPC portfolio. the techniques we use can be applied to the full-size image, and then you can resize your "after" results and post those to your portfolio too! :)

07/20/2005 06:07:28 PM · #63

Originally posted by Kavey:

Kavey I think the document is a really good start into this realm. I'm looking forward to discovering all the different methods the various people put forward for converting to b/w

My favourite is to add 2 layers of hue/saturation. Totally desat the top layer, but then start changing the lightness of the different colour channels in the lower layer.

07/20/2005 06:14:11 PM · #64

Originally posted by Falc:

Here's my attempt at conversion - what do you think? too contrasty ?
I used 2 hue/saturation adjustment layers, set the top one to 100% desat, then played with the lightness of the colour channels in the second adjustment layer

Message edited by author 2005-07-20 18:25:35.

Truegsht

07/20/2005 06:28:01 PM · #65

Originally posted by Truegsht:

ok...here is a color pic...sorry for being late getting it in. There is no photoshop done to this photo...it is straight out of the camera. Taken May 29th, and only resized for posting here.

In case you missed it...I posted this a few days ago.

07/20/2005 07:05:41 PM · #66

Originally posted by Truegsht:

Originally posted by Truegsht:
ok...here is a color pic...sorry for being late getting it in. There is no photoshop done to this photo...it is straight out of the camera. Taken May 29th, and only resized for posting here.

In case you missed it...I posted this a few days ago.

I think this subject needs something to make it softer, more romantic, and I might have added a soft pink shade to the monochrome. Heres my attempt.

Canon EF 70-200mm f/4.0L USM

07/20/2005 08:07:45 PM · #67

Originally posted by Falc:

I think this subject needs something to make it softer, more romantic, and I might have added a soft pink shade to the monochrome. Heres my attempt.

Wow... very nice, I like what you did with it!! :-)

Skyarcher

Canon EOS-5D

07/21/2005 01:02:12 AM · #68

Sorry everyone, I need to play catch-up with the posts and images... but wanted to send link to post I just made in Member Discussion.

Rob - if this is not appropriate for this thread, is okay, please delete.

Other post is about Mfr Rebate for Spyder2 Plus. I know I'm not only one from comments I've seen that is having problems with calibration.

//dpchallenge.com/forum.php?action=read&FORUM_THREAD_ID=244588

-Christine

07/24/2005 10:30:52 AM · #69

Ok, here's my 'assignment submission':

We had our camera club meeting and the club owns a set of Alien Bees, backdrop, etc. So, for our last meeting the pizza place we congregate at allowed us to set everything up. One of our members provided the models (her daughters). Anyhow, as the sun was setting we realized good light and moved outdoors. I'm not a fan of the lighting on this one - though others may be. I did a quick and dirty conversion to see if the image was usable and I think it changed the whole image. So, I thought I would use it for my assignment. :-)

Kavey

Sigma 18-125mm f/3.5-5.6 DC for Canon

07/24/2005 11:03:11 AM · #70

Originally posted by Falc:

Originally posted by Kavey:
Hi Folks

Here's a draft of the first part of the document I wanted to share with you about TONES.

I do want to add more to it but let me know if it's helpful as it stands and what I could add to make it so/ more so.

I'll also think more on doing one about textures, light and shadow.

Kavey

.

PS I'm not sure I have a colour image suitable to share here that I haven't already converted to black and white. Those I haven't converted are generally ones I don't think would work well.

Muckpond, would you like to me to load the colour version of one I have already converted to black and white but isn't known much on DPC?

Kavey I think the document is a really good start into this realm. I'm looking forward to discovering all the different methods the various people put forward for converting to b/w

Yes, looking into different conversion methods would be very useful.

The Thinker, that I linked above, was one that I converted before I learned about the channel mixer approach and hence is less rich than it would be if I converted it again now. Perhaps if I can find the colour original I'll have another go at that.

07/24/2005 11:33:04 AM · #71

Originally posted by Kavey:

[quote=Falc] The Thinker, that I linked above, was one that I converted before I learned about the channel mixer approach and hence is less rich than it would be if I converted it again now. Perhaps if I can find the colour original I'll have another go at that.

I'm am really quite fond of the channel mixer approach to converting into b/w. It's amazing ... I used to use the Virtual Photographer plug-in until Setzler (thank you again!) pointed out that some of my colors weren't converting well and could be much richer.

Balko

07/24/2005 12:45:44 PM · #72

I ended up with so many possibles, but here is mine...
I took this deck shot for the purpose of converting.

The color shot STOOC:

The conversion:

This one I chose because at first glance, one would not think of converting, so I had to try :)

Orig STOOC:

Converted with a slight purple tone:

07/24/2005 12:49:47 PM · #73

Here's the b/w conversion of my assignment photo:

Kavey

Sigma 18-125mm f/3.5-5.6 DC for Canon

07/24/2005 12:57:32 PM · #74

Originally posted by tfaust:

Originally posted by Kavey:

Originally posted by Falc:
The Thinker, that I linked above, was one that I converted before I learned about the channel mixer approach and hence is less rich than it would be if I converted it again now. Perhaps if I can find the colour original I'll have another go at that.

I'm am really quite fond of the channel mixer approach to converting into b/w. It's amazing ... I used to use the Virtual Photographer plug-in until Setzler (thank you again!) pointed out that some of my colors weren't converting well and could be much richer.

Twas Gordon (McGregor) who clued me in one weekend in chat when I was getting particularly frustrated with my black and whites. He also explained the duotone, quadtone stuff too...

Balko