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07/21/2002 03:17:20 PM · #26 |
Exactly my thoughts Patella.
With the number of entries we get here I hardly have time to vote much less spend time trying to find little mistakes with a photo in a program like photoshop. I just use it on other peoples photos when specific discussions like this pop up, not as a way to judge at all :-)
Also, it has been said in other threads before but it is worht repeating as I have seen some comments here about folks not having photo edtiting programs like photoshop.
If you plan on submitting photos to a site like this the biggest favor you can do yourself is go out and spend the $89 bucks ($69 with rebate I think) on Photoshop elements. It has all the tools needed to get great results for web submission and to help correct color and other minor stuff.
Paintshop also is nice ( I have the full version of that as well) but Photoshop is the industry standard and even their "Lite" versions are way ahead in features and usability to every other editing program. |
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07/21/2002 03:54:42 PM · #27 |
First off, sorry I'm late to reply, it was lunch time in the upper left corner of the map. Patella, we are both in 100% agreement, but we agree in different ways. You have a much more scientific way of looking at entries than I do, but it's every bit as valid as mine:) When I look at a photo, I want to hear what it's trying to say. If it rambles, or talks off the subject, or just sits there and stares at me, I'll look into it sort of like an analyst would to see why it doesn't communicate, and I'll base any comments I make on these aspects of communication failure, but I tend to look at it as a totality in and of itself.
And hokie, I also agree with you totally! If people use a substandard program to prepare their photos for these challenges they shouldn't be surprised if the comments they get mention quality. In here, you can't rely on a $600 program to make garbage into gold, but at least you won't have your gold tarnished. By the way, I just heard Adobe released Elements 2, which is essentially a lite verson of Photoshop 7, so the price of the original Elements might drop some more. |
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07/21/2002 03:54:53 PM · #28 |
Double post, sorry about that:)
* This message has been edited by the author on 7/21/2002 3:55:39 PM. |
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07/21/2002 08:42:18 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by Patella:
Iggy,
I'm sorry -- I didn't make myself clear. I wasn't trying to say I'd judge a photo based on how well it had been edited -- or whether or not I, specifically, could edit it to make it look better.
In some cases, I look at a photo and think, "You know, I wonder what that might look like in B&W," or "I wonder if a bit more saturation might be helpful." Instead of just making such a comment, I actually make those changes myself. Sometimes, my idea isn't useful and sometimes it is. I pass them along as such. I'm really trying to do this for the benefit of the photographer. Going back to the way this discussion started, if I perceive that something has a slight tilt but I'm not sure, taking it into PS lets me know whether or not I'm right. If I'm right, I can point it out with "authority." If I'm wrong, I might comment that it seems tilted, but I don't let my misperception influence my vote.
Patella,
I understand what you mean now. I appreciate the useful, insightful comments you provide.
Mark |
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