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06/13/2005 12:29:33 AM · #26 |
taken to early for the challenge
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06/13/2005 12:38:42 AM · #27 |
Originally posted by vtruan:
I'm with ya Brad, 6 votes 4.1. Its going to be a long week.
My voting style will change this week, I'll give extra points for wild birds, since they are harder to get than a captive or pet birds. Van |
The difficulty with wild birds is finding them. Capturing birds no matter whether it is in the wild, captive, or pet is still subject to similar issues - exposure, dynamic composition, opportunity etc.
That's like saying portraits where the people are captive or pets are easier to shoot than wild. |
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06/13/2005 12:46:05 AM · #28 |
Wild birds are much harder to capture - see my profile pic of me face to face with a captive bird - try and get that close with a wild one!
Here is Alan's original.
I tried to get some wild ones around my yard - with a equivalent 480mm lens. Not at all easy.
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06/13/2005 12:49:18 AM · #29 |
Originally posted by Prof_Fate:
Wild birds are much harder to capture - see my profile pic of me face to face with a captive bird - try and get that close with a wild one! |
Well my point was kinda that even if you can get that close to a captive/pet bird you can still screw up or miss the shot entirely. So it still requires some level of skill. |
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06/13/2005 12:55:24 AM · #30 |
Originally posted by moodville:
Well my point was kinda that even if you can get that close to a captive/pet bird you can still screw up or miss the shot entirely. So it still requires some level of skill. |
and that would be the same basic level of skill any photographic endeavor assumes.
Photographing any (living) animal and most children under 7 or so requires some amount of luck at any rate. Just with wild critters it takes inordinate amounts of it to get a above average shot.
Opportunity and preparedness is what makes luck.
Perserverance makes luck less of a factor.
So if a monkey can take enough pics of birds at the zoo, he will win a blue ribbon! Perserverance in action.
Ok, I've got it now. Act like a monkey. hence the term 'chimping'!
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06/13/2005 01:04:13 AM · #31 |
Originally posted by Prof_Fate:
Originally posted by moodville:
Well my point was kinda that even if you can get that close to a captive/pet bird you can still screw up or miss the shot entirely. So it still requires some level of skill. |
and that would be the same basic level of skill any photographic endeavor assumes.
Photographing any (living) animal and most children under 7 or so requires some amount of luck at any rate. Just with wild critters it takes inordinate amounts of it to get a above average shot.
Opportunity and preparedness is what makes luck.
Perserverance makes luck less of a factor.
So if a monkey can take enough pics of birds at the zoo, he will win a blue ribbon! Perserverance in action.
Ok, I've got it now. Act like a monkey. hence the term 'chimping'! |
Chimps are not monkeys. They are apes.
Message edited by author 2005-06-13 01:06:34. |
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06/13/2005 01:07:36 AM · #32 |
Originally posted by moodville:
Chimps are not monkeys. They are apes. |
Does 'primate' cover them all? |
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06/13/2005 01:12:35 AM · #33 |
Originally posted by Prof_Fate:
Originally posted by moodville:
Chimps are not monkeys. They are apes. |
Does 'primate' cover them all? |
Primate covers humans too. |
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06/13/2005 01:27:32 AM · #34 |
Originally posted by moodville:
The difficulty with wild birds is finding them. Capturing birds no matter whether it is in the wild, captive, or pet is still subject to similar issues - exposure, dynamic composition, opportunity etc.
That's like saying portraits where the people are captive or pets are easier to shoot than wild. |
Mood - I agree with half of what you say. There are some wonderful creative photos in this batch that obviously came from a controlled environment and I will score them high. However, having exposure, composition and opportunity work in a studio is much different than in the wild. Shotting portraits in the studio is easier than doing candids in the street. In fact it is easier at the zoo or other controlled environment to control light and confine the subject to get a better bird shot. I do think that the difficulty factor plays in this. Just like diving and gymnastics scores are based on level of difficulty. Same here.
With that said there are some shots in here that are going to be hard to beat that obviously were taken under a cotrolled situation. I just wont be able to mark them low. But I will likely give an extra point to those wild shots.
And yes, I must admit mine is wild. But the shot will still have to be good to be noticed.
Message edited by author 2005-06-13 01:29:21. |
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06/13/2005 01:30:18 AM · #35 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Almost entered this bird.
No feathers and can't fly, but what a bird, |
Looks too heavy to fly anyway! Hee hee |
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06/13/2005 01:36:32 AM · #36 |
Originally posted by bandit:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Almost entered this bird.
No feathers and can't fly, but what a bird, |
Looks too heavy to fly anyway! Hee hee |
Can we make this image the official mascot of the night time voters, as challenge after challenge they seem to do this to the scoring;) |
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06/13/2005 01:47:40 AM · #37 |
Originally posted by jbsmithana:
In fact it is easier at the zoo or other controlled environment to control light and confine the subject to get a better bird shot. |
I dont think I understood that correctly. You can control the light at the zoo but not in the wild? You can physically control a bird in the zoo? Not sure what zoos you go to but the majority of the zoos I visit the birds are in cages or worse they're free roaming and certainly have a mind of their own. They're more confined than in the wild but certainly you cant control them.
Originally posted by jbsmithana:
I do think that the difficulty factor plays in this. Just like diving and gymnastics scores are based on level of difficulty. Same here. |
I guess sitting in a blind with a 600mm lens for a few hours is more difficult. Heck since I dont own a 600mm lens it would be very difficult for me.
Which is beside the point since I'm not really arguing difficulty. I am simply defending shots that show captive/pet birds simply because people are always quick to dismiss them, that a 'monkey with a camera' can easily produce them.
People shoot what they have available. To publically state that anyone who doesnt have the appropriate equipment or experience to capture an outstanding wild bird doesnt deserve a top score even though they produced an outstanding image to me is a little disappointing. Yes, people are entitled to their opinion and can vote however they like. My comments wont change that and I do not expect it to. |
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06/13/2005 01:51:22 AM · #38 |
...So if we have a Flower Challenge, then Wild flowers would rate higher than flowers, let's say, bought at Vons and put into a controlled environment...
[makes note in notebook]
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06/13/2005 01:55:34 AM · #39 |
Originally posted by moodville:
To publically state that anyone who doesnt have the appropriate equipment or experience to capture an outstanding wild bird doesnt deserve a top score teven though hey produced an outstanding image to me is a little disappointing. |
We can agree on this. Like I said in my post there are some wonderful shots of captive birds in this challenge that are going to be very hard to beat. I would not vote them down and have in fact already given a few 10's for them.
But I will be a smidge generous on some of the better wild shots as I know what goes into them. And it is not sitting in a blind with a 600mm lens that I'm talking about. But like you said what we have to say is not going to change anyones voting pattern.
BTW - I have always thought your animal shots are top notch. Even those in the zoo, LOL. |
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06/13/2005 01:58:35 AM · #40 |
Originally posted by awpollard:
...So if we have a Flower Challenge, then Wild flowers would rate higher than flowers, let's say, bought at Vons and put into a controlled environment...
[makes note in notebook] |
Touche' - but it is a little apples and oranges. One moves. One thing for sure, the best shots normally ribbon or score high around here no matter what our individual voting pattern. And I would not have it any other way.
Message edited by author 2005-06-13 12:55:39.
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06/13/2005 02:22:02 AM · #41 |
One could make a somewhat similar argument that there's a higher "value factor" in an action shot as opposed to the "headshots"; capturing the decisive moment where living creatures are involved is extraordinarily difficult. Personally I'd hope to see these slice-of-life images do well, the ones that are so expressive of how a bird interacts with its environment.
Robt.
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06/13/2005 07:25:10 AM · #42 |
Nice bird shots lurker. Maybe it's some kind of a sign, or omen, that the time has come for you to pay up and start participating in the members challenges too.
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