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06/09/2005 08:04:13 AM · #1 |
This is not a question on how you vote, just a survey to see if there is a trend.
After going through the pix of members on this site, week after week. Seeing the way each individual person approaches their subject, the way they approach lighting, the way they approach composition, the type of lens that they choose, ect., ect.,....
....is it getting easier for you, the observer/critiquer, to determine who's photograph belongs to whom during the voting stages of each challenge?
OR
....are there just some photographers that you can tell what pix is theirs?
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....you just cant't tell.
I've got to go to work, but I will be back to bump.
Message edited by author 2005-06-09 08:28:51.
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06/09/2005 08:19:22 AM · #2 |
I could care less who takes the photo and never guess who's it is. I view/vote on how I see the photo and not who shot it.
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06/09/2005 08:36:25 AM · #3 |
Every once in awhile I will view a challenge entry and have an idea about who took it. I've been right about half the time, although usually I don't follow through after the challenge ends to see if I were right or not.
and like notonline, I also view/vote on how I see the photo and not who shot it, but I didn't take your question to suggest that anyone did otherwise. |
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06/09/2005 10:59:28 AM · #4 |
I hardly ever think about who submitted an image when I'm voting. I've voted over 30,000 times. A rough guess is that about two dozen times I have I have had a suspicion about who took the shot, mostly when it's been obvious such as in self-portrait challenges.
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06/09/2005 11:08:45 AM · #5 |
Originally posted by notonline:
I could care less who takes the photo and never guess who's it is. I view/vote on how I see the photo and not who shot it. |
Ditto. I just don't spend time even thinking about who the images belong to - it's just something that doesn't really cross my mind. When I look at someone's portfolio I'll often notice a certain style or approach but... it's not something I think about when looking at images in an anonymous context.
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06/09/2005 11:12:04 AM · #6 |
Man, you ask lots of questions.
Anyhoo, I just vote. Sometimes it's blatantly obvious who took a shot just by the subject matter. I fall into that category sometimes. Three of my top-6 images are all of the Peggy's Cove Lighthouse.
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06/09/2005 11:36:36 AM · #7 |
Originally posted by notonline:
I could care less who takes the photo and never guess who's it is. I view/vote on how I see the photo and not who shot it. |
same here... I never try to guess. Also this site is not about trying to guess who's picture you are voting on. The pictures should be voted purely on the quality, allignment to theme, creativity etc etc...
I rarely get time to vote or participate in these challenges but this is why there are only a few 9s and 10s in my voting. Only a few pictures are 'Exceptional'
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06/09/2005 12:03:55 PM · #8 |
Well, I wouldn't say that I actively try to guess whose shots are whose, but I don't think that's the OP's point. Certainly I've viewed enough portfolio's to recognize certain styles. If I see a playboy-worthy nude, my mind goes instantly to DrJones. If I see a wonderful portrait of a person from SE Asia, I wonder if it's a librodo. There are usually a few quirky creative shots that are well-done enough to make me think one of them is Scalvert's. I could go on.
My point is - there's nothing wrong with recognizing a style. I would take it as a compliment to have my anonymous work recognized. The previous posters seemed to imply in their response that thinking of the possible artist while voting might skew your vote and is not a good idea. I respectfully disagree.
I try to guess the composer while listening to the classical station; I certainly don't appreciate the work any less if I find that it was not Bach. If I see a print of a painting, I may try to guess the artist; there again, it doesn't affect my appreciation of the work.
There's something to be said for being ab;e to make a critical analysis of an anonymous work and as a result identifying the artist, IMO.
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06/09/2005 01:05:28 PM · #9 |
So well stated, Dawn. I didn't take the question as voting on who I guessed the photographer to be either.
But you're right, Beagleboy, Mr. Johnson does ask a lot of questions. |
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06/09/2005 09:29:27 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by 4N4M:
So well stated, Dawn. I didn't take the question as voting on who I guessed the photographer to be either.
But you're right, Beagleboy, Mr. Johnson does ask a lot of questions. |
It seems to me ironic that you answered at all. Especially comming from the keyboard of a lawyer.
Questions are the door to open mindedness, besides, is it not interesting?
If you don't want to answer, don't post.
Message edited by author 2005-06-10 22:37:26.
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06/09/2005 09:40:19 PM · #11 |
Sometimes styles look familiar, sometimes location. Sometime a style is being imitated, sometimes the photographer has gone on vacation to an exotic location. I can't stop myself from speculating, but I know from experience that I'm usually wrong.
edit—and that I should proof-read
Message edited by author 2005-06-10 08:06:02. |
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06/10/2005 10:38:01 PM · #12 |
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06/10/2005 10:43:34 PM · #13 |
I hit the "stupid" button!
Message edited by author 2005-06-10 22:45:11. |
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06/11/2005 08:46:57 AM · #14 |
Originally posted by datcat:
I hit the "stupid" button! |
Ok, fair enough, this may be stupid to some of you. But in defence of my question asking, and ultimatly my curiosity ask yourself this.
Do you watch television, OR spend money to see a movie? If you said yes, then you have already bought into "the look" of what you are watching.
I merely was curious to see if any person on this site took the time to notice if any photographers approach was noticeable or not.
I have been in the film biz for almost 20 years. In that time, working in the lighting department, I have worked with hundreds of Directors of Photography. The boss, the DP.
Currently, I have been invited to work a show called "Grey's Anatomy". It has ran for one season already, but the old crew that had that job did not come back. The DP was trying for another job, and his Grip and Electric departments followed him.
The new DP, Herb Davis ,('ANGEL', 'BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER'), has a differant vision for the lighting set up,and differant lens for the camera set up. Sooooo, we are ripping out the stages of the lighting rig, and installing a whole differant look.
AS STUPID AT IT MAY BE, THIS IS MY MOTIVATION FOR THIS THREAD.
When you went to go see 'STAR WARS; REVENGE OF THE SITH', did you know you were looking at how David Tattersall lit the movie? How he approached the charactors with each camera angle? Did you know that he also shot 'STAR WARS; ATTACK OF THE CLONES', or 'THE GREEN MILE', or 'XXX STATE OF THE UNION', 'CON AIR'?
When you saw 'STAR WARS', did you realize that Gilbert Taylor was the DP on that?Taylors approach to the original 'STAR WARS' can be traced back to some of his credits such as 'FLASH GORDON', 'THE OMEN','A HARD DAYS NIGHT'.
Not very many over the top action films compared to Tattersall.
The look of 'STAR WARS', and the look of 'STAR WARS; REVENGE OF THE SITH' have two complete differant approaches to every aspect of the movies.
My favorite DP is Vittorio Storaro, his signature look using color to represent emotion in each and every scene is a pure genius behind the camera. 'APOCOLYPSE NOW', 'DICK TRACY', 'REDS' just to name a few are looks that can be put side by side Herb Davis, or Gilbert Taylor, or David Tattersall and be picked out of a line up easily.
Just like Ansel Adams, he too had a look, an approach to lighting, and approach to angles, to landscapes, to black and white film. Many people try to mimic his techniques, but usually there copies fall short of the original master.
I started this thread hoping that my questions would stir that gray matter up. To create thought provoking questions to those that really care for their photography.
So my question stands to all those that care for your photography. The rest need not apply.
Can you tell who is taking the pix on this site? is there a trend with some photogs? or are we just beasts of burden, throwing in stuff that you yourself really don't care about, just to be part of a society of usernames, and calling yourself a "photographer"?
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06/11/2005 09:11:24 AM · #15 |
I'm not sure this is what you are looking for and I am very much an amateur at all this BUT yes I am beginning to have some inklings into some photographers and their pic. I find it interesting to see if I am right about certain challenge entries belonging to certain photographers when the results come up. I do find it a lot easier with people who I know and whose work I know. The majority are varied in subject and approach (mine included 'cos I'm busy trying out lots of different things to see what works best and also I'll admit "stealing" some aspects of others pics to see if I can reproduce something I like). The professional photographers do seem to be more identifiable - is this because they are sticking to a set style that works or is it because they are so good?
Filming to me is a different genre but there are certain directors I will look at because I direct theatre and tend to be more aware of techniques. Lighting is still a steep learning curve for me.
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06/11/2005 09:22:06 AM · #16 |
Originally posted by Riponlady:
I'll admit "stealing" some aspects of others pics to see if I can reproduce something I like). The professional photographers do seem to be more identifiable - is this because they are sticking to a set style that works or is it because they are so good?
Filming to me is a different genre |
first of all you are not stealing, you are looking for your niche. Professionals have found their particular niche just like the DP's I mentioned. And yes, I agree motion pictures are a differant genre, but the point is still valid, no matter if the picture is moving, or if it a still, the approach to every aspect of the image can be differant between two photogs.
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06/11/2005 05:42:21 PM · #17 |
last bump.
serious photogs only please.
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06/11/2005 06:37:17 PM · #18 |
I only recognize some models sometimes, other than that, I've no idea, I've guessed, but I'm always wrong.
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06/13/2005 02:37:09 AM · #19 |
Excuse me, but I accidently hit the quote button and reposted my earlier comments. I was having a dig at myself being stupid, but if you really want to take it personally...I guess I can't stop you.
In fact, I found it an interesting subject that's why I responded sensibly in the first place.
Message edited by author 2005-06-13 02:42:41. |
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06/13/2005 02:49:19 AM · #20 |
Originally posted by datcat:
Excuse me, but I accidently hit the quote button and reposted my earlier comments. I was having a dig at myself being stupid, but if you really want to take it personally...I guess I can't stop you.
In fact, I found it an interesting subject that's why I responded sensibly in the first place. |
Wow...that was quite a reaction you got. lmao It was obvious to me that you were referring to the fact that you posted something that you didn't want to post, then deleted it and replaced it with a short message saying 'oops, I was an idiot'.
That reminds me. I need to take my xanax...Swinging...you want one too?? ;) *winking face* *joking around* |
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06/13/2005 07:20:18 AM · #21 |
Originally posted by hbunch7187:
That reminds me. I need to take my xanax...Swinging...you want one too?? ;) *winking face* *joking around* |
I'll take one if ya got extras.
swinging ... I don't think you are going to get much in the way of valid results to your survey. You are asking if we can identify the photographer from their pictures on a site where about half of the images are put up for the purpose of anonymous judging. Many voters have trained themselves not to think about that, and many of the submitters consciously try to make their work as varied as possible to avoid being identified with it's maker. And the topics direct us to certain subjects and techniques that often take us away from what would be our style if we were not shooting for a challenge. There is the factor of people trying to immitate styles they perceive as being successful in the past, to immitate what pleases the voters. All these factors make it difficult to assess the process of photographer identification here at dpc.
If your new DP does his job well, the show will be a success regardless of whether or not people can identify a different style in it's production.
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06/13/2005 07:57:54 AM · #22 |
Originally posted by coolhar:
Originally posted by hbunch7187:
That reminds me. I need to take my xanax...Swinging...you want one too?? ;) *winking face* *joking around* |
I'll take one if ya got extras.
swinging ... I don't think you are going to get much in the way of valid results to your survey. You are asking if we can identify the photographer from their pictures on a site where about half of the images are put up for the purpose of anonymous judging. Many voters have trained themselves not to think about that, and many of the submitters consciously try to make their work as varied as possible to avoid being identified with it's maker. |
No thank on the xanax hbunch7187, I rely on whiskey for my alterations.
Datcat, I did not take it personal, but I did read the "stupid" post not in a positive way.
Coolhar, very well expressed for the first time within this thread.
I see your point, but it is a game to me to try and guess the photographer. I myself, looking at my pix, see a trend in my approachs.
Excluding the current challenge, which by the way I just threw something in without a care, I tend to do b&w's.
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