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06/10/2005 10:28:55 AM · #1 |
Since I saw this being asked numerous times recently and since I need to know what the equivalent step/tool/process is for the software I use based on PS steps/tools, I decided to compile a list. What I did was go back to the last 30 challenges (had to be ones AFTER Jan. of this year when the rules were updated) and wrote down all the steps listed for the top 5 photos in each challenge. So, here is my initial list - yes, some may be duplicates in the lists but I just wrote down what the photographer said and some may be due to different software being used:
Basic Editing Challenges:
Crop. levels, curves, contrast, color balance, desat, resize, border, auto levels, auto contrast, USM, NeatImage, Channel mixer, Colourize (HSL), selective color, shadow/highlights, Noise Ninja, Sharpen, intensity, temperature, colors, despeckle, Raw Shooter - exposure stops/shadow contrast/highlight contrast, hue/saturation, greyscale, quadtone, gaussian blur
Advanced editing challenges:
crop, levels, USM, Brightness/contrast, Burning/Dodging, border, resize, NeatImage, Noiseware, Clone, blur tool, gaussian blur, invert selection, duo tone, sharpen, color temp, saturation, desat, color balance, Photo Filter, perspective, hue/sat, selective color, healing brush, Feivels Gothic Glow action, highlight/shadow feature, zoom blur
I only did 30 since really after about 15 or so the same things were repeated over and over. I am sure there is more that has been used but not everyone tells what they did in post processing. Anyone want to add to either list - must be acceptable edits.
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06/10/2005 10:40:44 AM · #2 |
None of these are must be acceptable. If you were to apply any of the edits you list under basic using selection tools, then the edit step is illegal.
Both zoom and gaussian blur may be illegal if they become major elements of a shot where they did not exist before. Particularly with the rules revision under discussion.
This is a good list, but I want to make sure people understand there really is no hard and fast list of what you can and can't use. You need to read the rules for the challenge you are submitting to. I'd hate to see someone look at this list, use a tool listed in a way that is illegal, and then say, "but I saw on a thread this was okay!".
Please make sure that you read both the Basic and Advanced rules BEFORE you edit your image. If you have questions- post the question to the forum, use the Contact Us form, stick your head in Chat and grab a member of SC for clarification.
Clara |
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06/10/2005 10:47:43 AM · #3 |
What and where is Chat (I know what a chat room is) on DPC? I've heard it mentioned a time or two but there isn't any link on any of the DPChallenge menus I can see. Is it a secret? ;^)
Originally posted by blemt:
...stick your head in Chat and grab a member of SC for clarification.
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06/10/2005 10:52:30 AM · #4 |
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06/10/2005 10:58:29 AM · #5 |
| it's more of an off-duty employee lounge and is technically not affiliated with dpc. :) |
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06/10/2005 11:03:27 AM · #6 |
Originally posted by blemt:
None of these are must be acceptable. If you were to apply any of the edits you list under basic using selection tools, then the edit step is illegal.
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As I said, I took the top 5 pics so at least three were validated - the ribbon winners. So how can the steps be illegal? Granted, you need to understand the limitation of the application of the tools in basic editing, but if the pics have won ribbons, how can the steps be illegal?
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06/10/2005 11:06:56 AM · #7 |
Originally posted by Alienyst:
Originally posted by blemt:
None of these are must be acceptable. If you were to apply any of the edits you list under basic using selection tools, then the edit step is illegal.
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As I said, I took the top 5 pics so at least three were validated - the ribbon winners. So how can the steps be illegal? Granted, you need to understand the limitation of the application of the tools in basic editing, but if the pics have won ribbons, how can the steps be illegal? |
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06/10/2005 11:09:40 AM · #8 |
Layers are allowed in both basic and advanced. Basic has to be done in the normal mode and advanced you are not limited to just the normal mode.
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06/10/2005 11:13:01 AM · #9 |
It's possible to use many tools in both legal and illegal ways. For example, using the clone stamp to get rid of a powerline from a landscape shot would be perfectly acceptable in advanced editing. However, using the clone stamp to move a person two inches to the left would be illegal.
Thus, read the editing rules CAREFULLY to make sure you understand how the SC will be asked to validate a photo.
Originally posted by Alienyst:
As I said, I took the top 5 pics so at least three were validated - the ribbon winners. So how can the steps be illegal? Granted, you need to understand the limitation of the application of the tools in basic editing, but if the pics have won ribbons, how can the steps be illegal? |
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06/10/2005 11:19:35 AM · #10 |
Gotcha. Thanks.
Originally posted by muckpond:
it's more of an off-duty employee lounge and is technically not affiliated with dpc. :) |
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06/10/2005 11:19:38 AM · #11 |
What your list of steps doesn't cover is the EXTENT to which the effects are applied. Gaussian blur is legal; using Gaussian blur to obliterate a "Major Element" is not. Thus, it is the EXTENT of Gaussian blur that determines its legality. Likewise zoom blur cannot be used to create a "blur" that never existed, but it can be used to enhance one that is already there. The clone tool is legal, but not to move a tree from one side of the picture to another.
See - the tools used, especially in Advanced, do not strictly determine the legality. It's WHAT IS DONE WITH THE TOOLS. |
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06/10/2005 11:21:38 AM · #12 |
Originally posted by SDW65:
Layers are allowed in both basic and advanced. Basic has to be done in the normal mode and advanced you are not limited to just the normal mode. |
I don't believe this is correct. Only ADJUSTMENT layers - which contain NO pixel data - are legal in basic - AND they must be done in normal mode.
Read carefully :) |
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06/10/2005 11:26:08 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by nards656:
Originally posted by SDW65:
Layers are allowed in both basic and advanced. Basic has to be done in the normal mode and advanced you are not limited to just the normal mode. |
I don't believe this is correct. Only ADJUSTMENT layers - which contain NO pixel data - are legal in basic - AND they must be done in normal mode.
Read carefully :) |
yup. nards is right. and the adjustment has to be applied to the entire image (no masks). |
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06/10/2005 12:24:03 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by nards656:
...zoom blur cannot be used to create a "blur" that never existed, but it can be used to enhance one that is already there. |
Actually, that would be true of filters like Lens Flare that create shapes, but it's my understanding that creating a slight motion blur on static images is OK as long as the main elements of the original are still discernable in the final. The tool restriction is that you can't create new shapes/objects or make major elements unrecognizable in the process.
Message edited by author 2005-06-10 12:28:57. |
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06/10/2005 12:29:27 PM · #15 |
For the record, Selevtive color is listed here in the Basic Editing 'allowed'. This is NOT legal in Basic unless you simply use desaturation of the entire image using chanels.
Some people word things differently. Some people do call this Selective color when it is really simply desaturation. 'Selective' color is NOT allowed in basic. That would imply using a 'selection' tool and will definately get you a DQ.
I want to add to this 'list of what is allowed' that this is not an official guide in any way from the SC and following this guide could get you DQed if not done by the RULES the SC and Admin have in place. |
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06/10/2005 02:02:53 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by hbunch7187:
For the record, Selevtive color is listed here in the Basic Editing 'allowed'. This is NOT legal in Basic unless you simply use desaturation of the entire image using chanels.
Some people word things differently. Some people do call this Selective color when it is really simply desaturation. 'Selective' color is NOT allowed in basic. That would imply using a 'selection' tool and will definately get you a DQ.
I want to add to this 'list of what is allowed' that this is not an official guide in any way from the SC and following this guide could get you DQed if not done by the RULES the SC and Admin have in place. |
"Selective Color" is an adjustment layer (contains no pixels) in Photoshop that's similar to, but different than, hue/saturation. It can be applied without making a selection, across the entire image, and is regularly used in basic editing. In Selective color you can change the hue of any of the color ranges in the image. For example, if your sky is looking a little smoggy, selective color is the method of choice for cleaning up the blues.
The name of the tool is misleading, but it is NOT illegal in basic editing if you apply it to the entire image; or, if it is, there are one HELL of a lot of illegal images out there in basic challenges. Including mine :-)
Robt.
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06/11/2005 01:17:46 AM · #17 |
Originally posted by bear_music:
"Selective Color" is an adjustment layer (contains no pixels) in Photoshop that's similar to, but different than, hue/saturation. It can be applied without making a selection, across the entire image, and is regularly used in basic editing. In Selective color you can change the hue of any of the color ranges in the image. For example, if your sky is looking a little smoggy, selective color is the method of choice for cleaning up the blues.
The name of the tool is misleading, but it is NOT illegal in basic editing if you apply it to the entire image; or, if it is, there are one HELL of a lot of illegal images out there in basic challenges. Including mine :-)
Robt. |
I stand corrected. I have seen so many times in details where they say they use 'selective color' and it turnes out, that they have selected a section of the image and desat it that way, so I DO think that it would be a bad idea to say 'selective color is legal' since as you say, it is misleading. Like I said, some people just call things differently. If we were to say selective color was legal in basic...I'd say we would need to be VERY specific as to what we were talking about and not JUST say 'selective color is legal'. You know? |
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