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Tamron AF 28-80mm f/3.5-5.6 Aspherical for Nikon

06/06/2005 11:37:21 AM · #1

Had a guy come up to me last night at a wedding reception (which I was shooting) and ask me what optical zoom my 70-200mm F2.8 is and if it compares to the new camera he saw in Walmart for $450 that was 15x optical zoom. I know someone mentioned comparing the two here before, but it was ridiculous. He was all but outright saying I got ripped off for buying my gear when I could've bought something better at Wally Mart. Esp. when he said "it's ONLY a 200mm? Really???? That's it?".
LOL

On a side note, my arm is sore from shooting with that lens for the better part of 10 hours. I guess a $450 p-n-s doesn't have those lingering side effects :-)

P.S. I just told the guy "you really can't compare the two". And left it at that.

Message edited by author 2005-06-06 11:38:29.

vtruan

Nikon D5100

06/06/2005 11:42:37 AM · #2

The guy had an attitude or was playing with you. He could have said, what kind of snapshots are you getting with that thing. Just blow him off as an idiot.

aKiwi

Canon EOS-7D

Canon EF-S 17-85mm f/4-5.6 IS USM

06/06/2005 11:44:49 AM · #3

LOL! Don't you just love comments like that!
Or Mine fits in my pocket, I can take it anywhere.
OR Oh 8mp, Mine has the same (Said with a smug grin producing a < cigarette box sized silver toy)
Or How much did you pay for that... You must be nuts! I only paid ...

typologic

Nikon D100

Nikon AF Nikkor 50mm f/1.8

06/06/2005 11:46:19 AM · #4

LOL.
I have to admit when I didn't know a thing about photography, I used to wonder why anyone would want to buy an SLR. Ergh.

Nusbaum

Fujifilm X-T1

06/06/2005 11:47:27 AM · #5

What is really scarey is that when enough consumers start buying into the 'mine is bigger' or 'can yours do this' game and the camera makers actually shift to accomodate them. I cannot get a 35mm f/2 prime with USM, yet Canon continues to pump out more and consumer zooms.

It seems like most "consumers" are more concerned about what their camera can do than the kind of pictures they can take. I guess it makes sense because it takes no skill to buy the camera with the biggest numbers but it takes a lot of work to take good photographs.

Message edited by author 2005-06-06 11:48:31.

kyebosh

Canon EOS-20D

Canon EF 80-200mm f/2.8L

06/06/2005 11:52:08 AM · #6

I was talking to a guy in the printing/photography biz today. He was telling me that because everybody has these little digi cams a lot of people he knows have not been able to stay in the photography business. Apparently even employers don't really know the difference that well either and that a little digi cam will be "good enough". A little frustrating for many I bet.

06/06/2005 11:52:20 AM · #7

Yea, the point I wanted to make to him was about quality. But that's not what he wanted to hear obviously. So whatever, I had told my new assistant earlier that day that I HATE camera-talk and that it's inevitable that at every wedding someone brings it up. I think I had 3 guys bring it up to me yesterday. Seriously - I don't care. I do'nt care I don't care.

pitsaman

Canon EOS-30D

Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 II

06/06/2005 11:54:40 AM · #8

400 mm lens on 10D is equal to 18 X zoom snapshot camera .

I had a guy who told me that Oly 8080 is better than Rebel with mine optics three times .LOL !

kyebosh

Canon EOS-20D

Canon EF 80-200mm f/2.8L

06/06/2005 12:00:43 PM · #9

Originally posted by pitsaman:

400 mm lens on 10D is equal to 18 X zoom snapshot camera .

I had a guy who told me that Oly 8080 is better than Rebel with mine optics three times .LOL !

Well he's right you know!
-up to ISO 400!
-5x zoom 28-140mm!
-F2.4 - 8.0!
-1.6FPS up to 5 frames!
-video!
- Most importantly 8 yes EIGHT MP!

Pentax SMC P-DA 12-24mm F4.0 ED/AL (IF)

06/06/2005 12:01:21 PM · #10

This is a lesson to anyone on this site who likes to talk about gear to strangers and teh general public - just say no!!!!! Don't do it :-) Not cause you might potentially sound like an idiot, but because I think, it's just downright rude.

Message edited by author 2005-06-06 12:02:09.

Pano

Pentax K10D

06/06/2005 12:02:52 PM · #11

one thing is for sure the gear does not make the photo
i know people with tones of super good gear, how ever their pictures are (IMO) bad
I also know some photographers here in DPC with (NON SLR) digi cams who have taken excellent shots

Pentax DA 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 AF

06/06/2005 12:04:52 PM · #12

Originally posted by Pano:

Absolutely. You can't judge someone by their gear, not that you should judge someone at all. For me, I bought the big lens for the quality - not because I think it makes me a better photographer creatively speaking. I was looking at the results last night (this was my first wedding using the new lens) and I was totally blown away. The clarity and DOF are superb.

rex

Canon PowerShot SD780

06/06/2005 12:09:27 PM · #13

Originally posted by Pano:

I also know some photographers here in DPC with (NON SLR) digi cams who have taken excellent shots

Plenty of those here. I think you need a SLR camera if you plan on doing stuff professionally. But regarding a P&S camera I have noticed that is not the camera but the photographer. I know a professional photographer who has since retired(he made upwards of $20,000 a month) he has told me that when doing a wedding today it is much different than 10 or 15 years ago. Now you have "Regular Joe" that can get wedding pictures just as good as a professional with a SLR. He informed me that when he done weddings that he had to inform the client that no other cameras were allowed because he wouldn't make any money. A regular P&S camera in my mind will do just as good as a SLR at something like weddings. Where a SLR helps a photographer is in sports or wildlife IMO. I am sure there are many others but these are the only two that come to mind. For me right now a P&S is fine.

Message edited by author 2005-06-06 12:12:20.

pitsaman

Canon EOS-30D

Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 II

06/06/2005 12:13:17 PM · #14

Originally posted by kyebosh:

Originally posted by pitsaman:
400 mm lens on 10D is equal to 18 X zoom snapshot camera .

I had a guy who told me that Oly 8080 is better than Rebel with mine optics three times .LOL !

Well he's right you know!
-up to ISO 400!
-5x zoom 28-140mm!
-F2.4 - 8.0!
-1.6FPS up to 5 frames!
-video!
- Most importantly 8 yes EIGHT MP!

This one is done from 30 yards away :

Try this with snapshot cam and you will be lunch to this beast :-)

vxpra

Pentax K100D

06/06/2005 12:13:42 PM · #15

Allow me to share a similar story- not meaning to hijack. In 2002 we had the Missionary Ridge fire. On the second night of the fire I was standing out on a county road sucking in smoke for about 2 hours doing long exposures (it was about 11:00 at night with my Pentax 645). This car pulls up, a woman jumps out runs right over next to me with her little Olympus Stylus (a nice little point and shoot) pops off one quick shot- with flash no less- then looks at me and says in a gleefull voice; "I got the same shot you did" and bounds back to her car. I glanced down at my watch to see where I was in my 3 minute exposure as she happily drove off. Missionary Ridge

One note, the jpg image of this file does not do it justice (not trying to brag). I have a 16x20 in my home, the mix of colors is just fabulous.

Tamron SP AF 24-135mm f/3.5-5.6 AD Aspherical IF for Canon

06/06/2005 12:15:42 PM · #16

I could never shoot a wedding with a p-n-s .. no matter how good quality it was. They're too slow, I don't do much traditional posing and formal shots (that's not the style people want anymore)..it's more on-the-fly and lots of quick work. You couldn't do that with a non-SLR.

There were two people in an audience of about 150 yesterday with the same gear I was using. LOL. Doesn't really bother me - I know what my work looks like. ... don't really care what the gear looks like.

nards656

Canon EOS-300D Rebel

06/06/2005 01:19:33 PM · #17

Originally posted by rex:

Now you have "Regular Joe" that can get wedding pictures just as good as a professional with a SLR... A regular P&S camera in my mind will do just as good as a SLR at something like weddings.

Ummm, I would have to disagree pretty strongly with this statement... I've never seen anybody with a true P&S handheld show up at a wedding with enough memory for 300+ shots, enough batteries for 300+ shots, an adjustable head flash that is powerful enough for ceiling bounces and doesn't require 300 redeye corrections (times a minimum of 4 for the number of eyes in each shot), or any backup equipment in case their little HP goes dead... Oh, yeah, and like GoldBerry says... whaddabout focus speed and write time and buffer size and depth of field preview and large sensors so that the depth of field actually CAN be limited and on and on and on we can go.

See, when choosing a wedding photographer, one should choose one who taketh their photography seriously, and a high percentage of those who taketh their photography seriously recognize the benefits of an SLR, so most of them will HAVE SLRs, which goes to say that one who chooseth a wedding photographer who doth NOT use a SLR shouldeth be preparedeth for the fact that the photos of their once in a lifetime day mayeth not be as PERFECT as they would like them to be.......

I would 1000000000 times rather attempt wildlife photography with a PS than a wedding......

That from a guy who uses a hybrid and is ready to sell it...

Message edited by author 2005-06-06 13:19:53.

rex

Canon PowerShot SD780

06/06/2005 01:26:19 PM · #18

We will have to agree to disagree then. I put out disposable cameras at my wedding and people got great shots. There is one of my wife and I that hangs above the mantle.

I did say this also:
I think you need a SLR camera if you plan on doing stuff professionally.

Message edited by author 2005-06-06 13:33:57.

crabappl3

06/06/2005 01:33:09 PM · #19

When I have my D2X and 50-500 on it, I don't seem to get this kind of reaction. I think that maybe you just need to carry a Nikon instead... after all, it's what all the pros use! :-p

-danny

Originally posted by GoldBerry:

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

06/06/2005 01:41:35 PM · #20

Originally posted by crabappl3:

When I have my D2X and 50-500 on it, I don't seem to get this kind of reaction. I think that maybe you just need to carry a Nikon instead... after all, it's what all the pros use! :-p

-danny

LOL or maybe it's cause you're a guy and I'm a gal. I wasn't even wearing anything revealing. LOL. I can't go anywhere without men (always men) asking about my "equipment" *giggle*. The girl who was with me yesterday said it was obvious I was uncomfortable with the conversations - why don't men pick up on that? I guess for the same reasons they do'nt understand when you're trying to ignore them at a bar ;-)

colda

Nikon D800

06/06/2005 01:42:40 PM · #21

Hmmmm, I have mixed feeling on this issue, whilst I agree on the original post (and have been in a similar situation myself) I equally hate SLR snobbery (especially when you consider the 'kings' of this site use prosumers).

Ignorance is bliss to many, although I do have to admit that I have become inpatient with a number of people on this issue - but they were mostly Canon owners so it's allowed ;)

It's not the tool but the craftsman that produces the results.

On a related note I read this recently:

Originally posted by unknown:

An amateur photographer was invited to dinner with friends and took along a few pictures to show the hostess. She looked at the photos and commented "These are very good! You must have a good camera."

He didn't make any comment, but, as he was leaving to go home he said "That was a really delicious meal! You must have some very good pots."

Message edited by author 2005-06-06 13:45:09.

doctornick

Apple iPhone 13 Pro

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

06/06/2005 01:44:43 PM · #22

Originally posted by crabappl3:

...I think that maybe you just need to carry a Nikon instead... after all, it's what all the pros use! :-p

-danny

Ahem....Here's what REAl pros use ;) :P

...and HERE ;o)

Message edited by author 2005-06-06 13:47:58.

crabappl3

06/06/2005 01:46:38 PM · #23

Ah, guess I'm not hawt enough to get hit on ;-)

-danny

Originally posted by GoldBerry:

crabappl3

06/06/2005 01:47:43 PM · #24

Originally posted by doctornick:

Ahem....Here's what REAl pros use ;) :P