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06/01/2005 07:05:11 PM · #51 |
I work with both platforms daily and I recommend the Mac. You can't beat the OS. In the year plus I have had my 17" Powerbook, it has never crashed and I always have at least two of the programs from Adobe's Creative Suite Open at the same time as well as my Browser and iTunes.
Hope this helps.
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06/01/2005 09:55:51 PM · #52 |
Two instances is nothing....
Example: The following is not an uncommon workload for my work machine.
3 instances of IE
1-2 instances Firefox
Macromedia Flash 7
Macromedia Flash 6
Homesite
ColdFusion Studio
2 instances of Windows Explorer
SQL Enterprise Manager
SQL Query Analyzer
MS Access
MS Outlook
AIM
(yes....all of that on a single 900mhz PIII with 512megs of RAM. Amazingly, I don't have much problems except for Windows Explorer. My work really needs to double my RAM....*LOL*)
Message edited by author 2005-06-01 21:56:11. |
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06/01/2005 10:03:46 PM · #53 |
Fujitsu N6010 @ Newegg 3.2 Pentium M, 17" WXGA Widescreen, ATI Radeon 9700, full kybd with numpad...
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06/02/2005 10:57:11 AM · #54 |
Originally posted by theSaj:
The problem is Mac is missing the point (and they haven't done that in a while....not since Jobs came back).
The point is the world is going mobile. They're releasing a G5 iMac...!@#$%
iMac = low-end
17" laptop = power-user
Both systems are compact, condensed. Why in the world they'd bother putting a G5 in an iMac and not offer it in their 17" desknote is beyond me.
Stuff like that really bothers me for considering a switch to a platform. |
As somebody else pointed out, the heat generated by the G5 is the problem at the moment and I'm sure Apple is very frustrated that their chip supplier has not been able to produce a G5 that meets the needs of mobile users. There were a few articles floating around recently suggesting that Apple may adopt Intel processors. I doubt this happens, but it is entirely possible that apple is trying to apply some presure to their current processor supplier.
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06/02/2005 11:03:54 AM · #55 |
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Message edited by author 2005-06-02 11:04:15.
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06/02/2005 11:08:29 AM · #56 |
Originally posted by Montereykiddo:
Originally posted by Skyarcher:
I'm going to be biting my nails until it gets here, which isn't until near the end of June.
-Christine |
Christine,
I too am biting my nails unitil my new 15" 1.67Ghz POWERBOOK arrives. *snipped*
Estimated arrival is tomorrow!!!!
Chris |
Well.... did it arrive yet?
:-( Isn't it June 21st yet?!?! I want my new laptop, then I can use the old one for target practice! ;-) |
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06/02/2005 11:12:02 AM · #57 |
Originally posted by sage:
*snipped my post*
I have the HP ZD8000 and it is a MONSTER of a machine.
It isn't a light and portable solution, but that isn't what I was looking for.
It is the fastest laptop i've ever used. 2 gig of ram, 256mb video card, etc. The display on it is beautiful. I highly recommend it if anyone is in the market for a desktop replacement. |
That is great to hear! Thanks. :-) |
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06/02/2005 11:15:48 AM · #58 |
well the best advice is get a mac. that is it...all u can say it is the art computer....ie. somewhere down the line maybe around the time that the mac. OS was copied by that guy what was his name Bill something Gates right that was it, anyway what happened was the print industry locked on and started using mac. as there primary computer. god only knows why they didn't switch to pc.....but it was mac. and since designers, most all pro. photographers such as (spencer jones and others) use them and so for the arts nothing is more key when it comes to have a computer than to be compatible with the printer.....also adobe and other programs where designed to run on mac. and that is still where they run best...espical quark express.....but that is asided the point.
anyway go with the mac. it will serve u better.
here is why then don't have a g5 lapton yet......it is not the heat or anything like that.
mac. unlike PC has a size standured and many other standureds that they keep to.
there has not yet been a small enough HD made to a big enough size for mac. to go ahead with there planes of making a G5 laptop.
everything else is there but the other day when i was talking to a friend of mine who has some status with apple he said that is the unoffical reason for them not putting out a G5 laptop.
so there u have it and really i don't see the big G5 advantage in the laptop form it is an awsome desk top but not such a great laptop even if it could be done.....i would run fast...i gess that must be the big attraction to it.
anyways that is my help what ever help it may be.
_bran(typing from a powerbook G4 laptop with an G4 ibook laptop in the other room and a G4 tower in my dads home office and they all still run old or new as they may be)do_
btw way we also have a very old 1993 ithink it is iMac G3 that is still plugging away.
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06/02/2005 11:21:06 AM · #59 |
Perhaps I am a dinosaur and should crawl back into my cave...but I can't work out this Mac v PC war!
About 12 years ago I went to the Mac Show in London, just to see what was happening. I was surprised on one stand, the guy was using a Mac, but the big screen was showing Windows! Turns out he was using a prog called Soft Windows. Someone know if a crossover prog is still available??
If so, why all the arguments about which is best, Mac or PC...get the crossover, buy a Mac and run your PC applications if your home machine is Windows runner.
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06/02/2005 11:43:42 AM · #60 |
yes, cross over programs are available for several platforms...
Originally posted by Formerlee:
Perhaps I am a dinosaur and should crawl back into my cave...but I can't work out this Mac v PC war!
About 12 years ago I went to the Mac Show in London, just to see what was happening. I was surprised on one stand, the guy was using a Mac, but the big screen was showing Windows! Turns out he was using a prog called Soft Windows. Someone know if a crossover prog is still available??
If so, why all the arguments about which is best, Mac or PC...get the crossover, buy a Mac and run your PC applications if your home machine is Windows runner.
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06/02/2005 11:53:49 AM · #61 |
Originally posted by fotodude:
it is not the heat or anything like that. mac. unlike PC has a size standured and many other standureds that they keep to. there has not yet been a small enough HD made to a big enough size for mac.
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Funny, I just read an article from a designer at Apple talking about reasons the G5 is not in a laptop yet. And in fact, one of the number one reasons is in fact heat [dissipation] & power consumption. And that they cannot fit a G5 with adequate cooling and power consumption into their ultra-slimline Powerbook form factors.
Your comment about not having a small enough hard drive is so mis-informed. All laptop hard drives use a standard form factor. A 40gig drive is the same size as 100gig drive and will be the same size as a 200gig drive.
In fact, the next big change for laptops is the possibility that within a year or two you may see ultra-slim laptops ship without any hard drives. (Yup...you read that right!) A couple of companies are working on high speed "flash memory" based drives to replace hard drives in laptops. In truth, this will probably be the future of storage in another decade or so.
Originally posted by fotodude:
so there u have it and really i don't see the big G5 advantage in the laptop form it is an awsome desk top but not such a great laptop even if it could be done.....
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ROTFL - typical, since we can't have it we downplay that there is no need. Well guess what... there are quite a bit of uses for a G5 laptop. You see, many people no longer want desktops. Some people are not home. Heck, you're a graphic designer or photographer always out on the road or say even better - you're in corporate marketing. You just did a presentation to a potential customer. They want to see a few revisions or know if such and such is possible before they sign on board. You go back to your hotel and edit the video on your G5 desktop that you lugged with you on the airplane. Noooo.... You want to be able to have that G5 power in a portable form factor.
What Mac is doing would be akin to Dell trying to sell it's top of the line notebooks with PIII's.
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06/02/2005 12:37:07 PM · #62 |
Originally posted by fotodude:
well the best advice is get a mac. that is it...all u can say it is the art computer....ie. somewhere down the line maybe around the time that the mac. OS was copied by that guy what was his name Bill something Gates right that was it, anyway what happened was the print industry locked on and started using mac. as there primary computer. god only knows why they didn't switch to pc.....but it was mac. and since designers, most all pro. photographers such as (spencer jones and others) use them and so for the arts nothing is more key when it comes to have a computer than to be compatible with the printer.....also adobe and other programs where designed to run on mac. and that is still where they run best...espical quark express.....but that is asided the point.
anyway go with the mac. it will serve u better.
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ROFLMAO... I have heard this put so many ways...but this has got to be the best one yet...
Creative, Art, Music, Drawing, programing or whatever put an inept user behind a mac or a pc and the results will be the same...
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06/02/2005 12:45:02 PM · #63 |
Originally posted by awpollard:
Creative, Art, Music, Drawing, programing or whatever put an inept user behind a mac or a pc and the results will be the same... |
True..
However, macs are designed to display millions of colors right out the box, as well as work better spec to spec with photoshop over a pc.
But, reguardless... Know what you are doing, and the results are the same. |
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06/02/2005 01:33:09 PM · #64 |
PC vs Mac - the never ending debate.
I had PCs for the last 12 years or so - had some great laptops from Dell and Sony. About 2 months ago I got bored with my then current laptop (a Dell). I looked around and there wasn't any really significant new hardware options that seemed exciting, so I decided to try out Mac and this "OS X" that everybody was talking about.
Well - I love it!
I don't think you can go wrong on either system. Max out the RAM no matter which way you go and you'll be happy. Starting from scratch, I'd probably recommend Mac - but if you already have significant PC software then that could be a factor. Exchanging data/picture files is not a problem at all.
If a former windows user does go for a mac, make sure to get yourself a 2-button mouse!
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06/02/2005 01:46:34 PM · #65 |
Max out the RAM, get the Biggest Hard drive available and make sure you have a built-in DVD burner.
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06/02/2005 02:46:23 PM · #66 |
Originally posted by dpakoh:
Originally posted by awpollard:
Creative, Art, Music, Drawing, programing or whatever put an inept user behind a mac or a pc and the results will be the same... |
True..
However, macs are designed to display millions of colors right out the box, as well as work better spec to spec with photoshop over a pc.
But, reguardless... Know what you are doing, and the results are the same. |
Guess what,...it's been years since I've owned a PC not designed to run millions of colors right out of the box. ;)
But then again....it did take Mac quite a while to get a color screen...didn't it. :P
(I don't mind the Mac vs PC debate. It can be fun. I'm not even really anti-mac. I just hate how Mac-fanatics quote arguments that were defunct years ago. In fact, I think it's quite possible that I might move to Mac...as I do not have the software requirements I once did.) |
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06/02/2005 02:53:16 PM · #67 |
Now if all could just maintain them properly...
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06/02/2005 06:05:41 PM · #68 |
Originally posted by theSaj:
(I don't mind the Mac vs PC debate. It can be fun. I'm not even really anti-mac. I just hate how Mac-fanatics quote arguments that were defunct years ago. In fact, I think it's quite possible that I might move to Mac...as I do not have the software requirements I once did.) |
I don't own a mac, but the times i've used them, the images always looks so much better and sharper. I saw it displayed at 16.7 million colors, compared to the thousands i'm used to (atleast being referred to) on windows based machines.
Perhaps I don't know what I'm talking about, but a friendly correction, instead of a laugh in the face would be nicer.
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06/03/2005 11:39:39 AM · #69 |
Originally posted by dpakoh:
I don't own a mac, but the times i've used them, the images always looks so much better and sharper. I saw it displayed at 16.7 million colors, compared to the thousands i'm used to (atleast being referred to) on windows based machines.
Perhaps I don't know what I'm talking about, but a friendly correction, instead of a laugh in the face would be nicer. |
A lot depends on the screen coatings for appearances. Glossy vs Matte. Glossy screens look nicer but are less productive in that they show much more glare and reflections. So a lot of business centric laptops have matte screens - not as much eye candy but much better to work on in the long run.
As for the thousands of colors of PC vs millions for Mac. It's a myth! PCs have been using 16.8 million colors for a decade now. Just check and make sure you have 24 or 32bit color turned on. Second, most Macs and PCs are using the same video cards these days. (Which is what really makes me laugh when I read such comments.)
Here are the differences between Mac and PC.
OS - Mac uses a modified version of BSD Unix and PC uses Windows.
Processor - PowerPC vs Intel/AMD
Motherboard - various differences in the system bus related to processor
Cases - including cooling, and power systems
The similarities and parts that are the same:
Hard drives
Screens (yes how many realize that the Mac/Sony/Toshiba/HP screens were all the same manufacturer)
Memory
CD/DVDs
In truth, Mac & PC are moving closer and closer toward each other. Experiments have been done to see about running Mac OS on Intel/AMD processors. Microsoft is progressing toward the possibility of running on PowerPC processors as well. (See Xbox 360 which uses are heavily modified code fork of Windows 2000 and will be running on a PowerPC based unit.)
What I'd love to see is the Mac OS X running on an AMD64.... ;)
(and with IBM and AMD doing a lot of joint research, this may NOT be so improbable come a few years down the road.)
Message edited by author 2005-06-03 11:41:54. |
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06/03/2005 01:39:32 PM · #70 |
Originally posted by theSaj:
...What I'd love to see is the Mac OS X running on an AMD64.... ;)... |
G5 = 64BIT
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06/03/2005 01:42:21 PM · #71 |
Yes...
But G5 has a different architecture. Each has their benefits and disadvantages. How many realize AMD's old K6 had one of the most advanced branch prediction units. In fact, it's what helped it achieve it's performance (though less than it's Intel rival)
AMD's 64-bit processors have quite a few innovations. I am curious to know how the two would compare.... |
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06/03/2005 01:56:38 PM · #72 |
Originally posted by theSaj:
In fact, the next big change for laptops is the possibility that within a year or two you may see ultra-slim laptops ship without any hard drives. (Yup...you read that right!) A couple of companies are working on high speed "flash memory" based drives to replace hard drives in laptops. In truth, this will probably be the future of storage in another decade or so. |
Except that initially those "drives" will probably have the same form factor and connections as regular laptop drives. |
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06/03/2005 02:50:30 PM · #73 |
Originally posted by BikeRacer:
Except that initially those "drives" will probably have the same form factor and connections as regular laptop drives. |
So....not a biggie, laptop drives are quite compact already (what a 1/2cm high by 3"x4"). And yes, after they become standard a new form factor will be developed. Perhaps 4"x6" and 3mm high.
Anyways, they will still offer much better power consumption which is the big reason they want to implement flash storage drives. Hard drives require moving parts and thus a lot of power consumption. That's the main reason to move toward that direction.
I don't really see your point with the form factor issue. |
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06/03/2005 03:04:44 PM · #74 |
Originally posted by theSaj:
I don't really see your point with the form factor issue. |
I was reading into your ultra-slim comment as meaning that laptops will get smaller, in part, because of the new flash drives. My point is that laptops probably wouldn't be any smaller with or without the current gen drives they have. |
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06/03/2005 03:09:04 PM · #75 |
Originally posted by BikeRacer:
Originally posted by theSaj:
I don't really see your point with the form factor issue. |
I was reading into your ultra-slim comment as meaning that laptops will get smaller, in part, because of the new flash drives. My point is that laptops probably wouldn't be any smaller with or without the current gen drives they have. |
Ah...gotcha - sorry, sometimes it's hard to realize to what a reply is in reference.
No, at first the form factor will remain the same. But once flash storage drives solidly replace hard drives, you will see new slimmer designs. My guess is you'll see a drive that is wide and flat and thus easier to keep cool and more fitting for the slim-laptop form factor.
:) |
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