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05/30/2005 05:14:18 PM · #1			 | 
		
		I am having such a hard time...I figured I'd seek advice.
 
 I am going on a cruise thru northern Europe here pretty soon and I want to get a high quality Canon lense for the trip. I'm thinking that a wide-zoom would probably be the most useful considering all the architecture. I can't really justify spending the money to buy a L series lense. I have been looking at the 24-70 f2.8 EX Sigma.
 
 What's the opinion on a great lense for this situation without dropping a thousand dollars |  
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05/30/2005 05:22:28 PM · #2			 | 
		
		maybe you've seen these sites, but here's one for just canon stuff,//www.the-digital-picture.com/Canon-Lenses/ by a guy who's pretty well versed in his canon lenses, and here's a forum/review site for lenses and other equipment, //www.fredmiranda.com/reviews/
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05/30/2005 05:25:28 PM · #3			 | 
		
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05/30/2005 05:34:34 PM · #4			 | 
		
		What lenses do you already have?
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05/30/2005 05:44:47 PM · #5			 | 
		
		| I have a 300d with the 18-55 kit lense. A 28-80 sigma f3.5-5.6 and a sigma 70-300 f4-5.6. I am wanting to eventually upgrade to whole lot, but for the trip I can only afford about 600 or so for a lense. |  
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05/30/2005 05:47:35 PM · #6			 | 
		
		You need a wide lens for architecture. A good investment would be the Canon 10-22. If that's not in your budget, try the Sigma 12-24 (I have this lens and like it very much) or the Tokina 12-24 (never tried this one, but it gets good reviews).
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05/30/2005 05:49:14 PM · #7			 | 
		
		In my opinion, going into debt is better than buying a lens you know you'll need to upgrade. My first suggestion is the 17-40 F4L, it's $670.
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05/30/2005 05:54:58 PM · #8			 | 
		
		| I just got the 17-85 EF-S lens and I'm very pleased. The sharpness is great and the IS really makes a difference. If you are walking around (or on a moving boat) this might work out well for you. It is sooooo much better than the 18-55 kit lens. |  
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05/30/2005 07:33:37 PM · #9			 | 
		
		If you need wide, I'd recommend the Tamron 17-35 XR Di, if not or if you have the kit lens, then perhaps the Tamron 28-75 XR Di, about a third of the L lens price but very close in optical quality.
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05/30/2005 07:41:40 PM · #10			 | 
		
		if you get the sigma get the macro version of the lens.
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05/30/2005 07:52:51 PM · #11			 | 
		
		Originally posted by Plexxoid:   In my opinion, going into debt is better than buying a lens you know you'll need to upgrade. My first suggestion is the 17-40 F4L, it's $670.  |   
 
 Tamron 17-35 f/2.8-4 is almost as good if you can't justify the cost of the canon 17-40 f/4 L: $200 cheaper, money you can put on something else.
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05/30/2005 09:27:50 PM · #12			 | 
		
		Originally posted by Plexxoid:   In my opinion, going into debt is better than buying a lens you know you'll need to upgrade. My first suggestion is the 17-40 F4L, it's $670.  |   
 
 17mm is just starting to get into WA in terms of FOV. On a 10D/300D its FOV is roughly equivalent to a 28mm lens for 35mm. To really open up interior spaces, you will want wider. 
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05/30/2005 09:38:21 PM · #13			 | 
		
		Originally posted by Plexxoid:   In my opinion, going into debt is better than buying a lens you know you'll need to upgrade. My first suggestion is the 17-40 F4L, it's $670.  |   
 I fully agree. I bought the 17-40 for our last vacation and I love it. I had all of my lenses along, but the only one I used was the 17-40. It's a great lens for the price.
 
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05/30/2005 10:05:42 PM · #14			 | 
		
		| I just got back from vacation. I took two lenses along which met all of my needs. One was the 17-40L and the other was the 28-135 IS which I only took for the extended zoom and the IS in lowlight conditions. Needless to say, I really only needed the 17-40L, I only used the other lens once the entire week. Spend the money, the 17-40L's image quality is excellent, and you'll never get a second chance to reshoot your memories from this trip. |  
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05/30/2005 10:06:28 PM · #15			 | 
		
		The 17-40L just seems to be an out of place lense in the bag. Cause where do you go for the next up.....24-70L??? Just seems like a lot of money to overlap so much. Would'nt a 10-20 Sigma or 10-22 Canon be better suited to go along with a 24-70.....
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05/30/2005 10:09:58 PM · #16			 | 
		
		Originally posted by Azrifel:   24 is not wide enough.  |   
 
 Totally agreed. Don't forget crop factor :( Good on the tele end but bad on the wide. |  
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05/30/2005 10:10:51 PM · #17			 | 
		
		Originally posted by micknewton:   Originally posted by Plexxoid:   In my opinion, going into debt is better than buying a lens you know you'll need to upgrade. My first suggestion is the 17-40 F4L, it's $670.  |   
 I fully agree. I bought the 17-40 for our last vacation and I love it. I had all of my lenses along, but the only one I used was the 17-40. It's a great lens for the price.  |   
 
 I'll third this.
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05/30/2005 10:33:26 PM · #18			 | 
		
		I'm going to be the odd man out on this one: spend the $600 on beer and pastries and shoot with the lenses you have.  The 28-80 is the only marginal lens.
 
 Or, if you're really set on spending money on gear, I've been quite pleased with my Tokina 28-80 f2.8 ATX Pro, which I purchased used from KEH for under $400(and available under $500 new at Adorama), so you would still have beer & pastry money....
 
 It's super-heavy, so you'll burn off all the carbs... 
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05/30/2005 11:30:15 PM · #19			 | 
		
		I have the 10-22 and I really like it.  Very sharp, nice colors, lots of distortion if you're not careful.  My lighting shot is the first challenge entry where I used that.
 
  
 
 The only issue I think is that it's got one heck of a big front--77mm, so filters are expensive, unless you opt to go with the cokin system, as I have.  Another issue is that it is EF-S, and thus specific to certain Canon cameras.
 
 But I like the range and how it fits in the bag, as you say.
 
 I have the 
 
 10-22 Canon
 18-125 Sigma
 70-300 Canon IS DO
 
 and now a somewhat redundant 70-200/F4L (I will eventually sell)
 
 I have thought about replacing the middle range Sigma with the 17-85 EF-S, mainly because of the IS.  (I think IS is great!).  But this is a nice set.
 
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05/30/2005 11:48:39 PM · #20			 | 
		
		buy a canon eos 28-70 'L" series lens off ebay, you will have a standard wide angle and its still an L lens, used they range from about $450-600.
 My partner at the studio uses a 24-70 f2.8 L lens, its the best lens for overall use.
 I shoot a 17-40 L, a 70-200 L and a 100mm macro f2.8.
 I am about to get 2 standard lenses though. 50mm 1.2 and a 85mm1.4 lens.
 this will give me all the coverage I need, but not spend too much on 1 lens.
 
 good luck.
 
 
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05/31/2005 12:15:19 AM · #21			 | 
		
		Originally posted by INFOCUSPHOTO:  50mm 1.2 and a 85mm1.4 lens |   
 
 I bout bugged my eyes out and then figured out you just had the f-stops mixed up. He meant 50 F1.4 and 85 F1.2.
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05/31/2005 01:11:42 AM · #22			 | 
		
		Popular Photography has a new review on the Sigma 18-50 EX f2.8 lens, get really good reviews.  May want to consider this lens as well.
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05/31/2005 05:07:42 AM · #23			 | 
		
		Bear in mind for vacation that fixed aperture lenses tend to be quite heavy.
 
 I have the Sigma 28-70/2.8EX, and as good a lens as it is, I wouldn't take it on vacation because it's too heavy.
 
 Lenses good for travel aren't necessarily the best quality or widest aperture, they're the most convenient.  I find..
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05/31/2005 05:21:03 AM · #24			 | 
		
		Of my lenses, if I was travelling and could only take one lens it would be the Tamron 28-200, just for the convenience.
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