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05/26/2005 10:48:17 PM · #26 |
A couple points of clarification:
- SC can see comments on entries in voting, but not the associated votes.
- There is already a system in place to automatically track abusive voting patterns, so real troll voters will simply have their votes discounted.
- While there are certainly a few "buddy" votes in each challenge, they can not affect voting in any significant way. Anyone caught trying to pourposefully influence the voting system is subject to penalties. We very much value the anonymity and fairness of the voting process.
In summary, the statistics have been analyzed to death, in the public forums and elsewhere, and a significant impact from troll (or buddy) voting has never been identified.
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05/26/2005 10:55:52 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by kirbic:
A couple points of clarification:
- SC can see comments on entries in voting, but not the associated votes.
- There is already a system in place to automatically track abusive voting patterns, so real troll voters will simply have their votes discounted.
- While there are certainly a few "buddy" votes in each challenge, they can not affect voting in any significant way. Anyone caught trying to pourposefully influence the voting system is subject to penalties. We very much value the anonymity and fairness of the voting process.
In summary, the statistics have been analyzed to death, in the public forums and elsewhere, and a significant impact from troll (or buddy) voting has never been identified. |
thanks for the info and it all makes sense :)
I appreciate it! I am fairly new to all this, as you can tell and I wasn't sure how all that worked. It's nice to know you SC's are out there looking out for all of us! lol
I got a little mad tonight but I am sure you can understand why. It can be frustrating... I feel so inadequate here sometimes. Hell, I have a BFA in Art Photography and I feel like my photos are crap compared to the majority of things here on DPC. I guess I have a lot to learn... I am so much better in a darkroom than on PS. *sigh* |
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05/26/2005 10:56:40 PM · #28 |
Good to know, Kirbic. I can see how one troll (or buddy) vote out of 300+ votes will not really effect overall placement. It is nice to know that the stats are studied regularly and that systems are in place to keep this as fair as possible.
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05/26/2005 10:56:56 PM · #29 |
In summary, the statistics have been analyzed to death, in the public forums and elsewhere, and a significant impact from troll (or buddy) voting has never been identified
I appreciate the clarification, but some of us are relatively new here, so this is all new to us and must be very boring for you guys.
'significant impact' is subjective. From an overall point of view, yes it is probably meaningless. On a personal level, having put time and effort in, having someone give you ones just to be mean is disheartenening. Yes it is just for fun...but if it was really only just for fun, there wouldn't be any need for scoring at all - just comments..if you see what I mean?
Message edited by author 2005-05-26 23:00:28. |
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05/27/2005 09:23:57 AM · #30 |
| I have hid a post which contained inappropriate language, and a post that quoted it, repeating the inappropriate language. Thanks to those who brought it to our attention. |
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05/27/2005 09:29:52 AM · #31 |
Originally posted by hbunch7187:
I have hid a post which contained inappropriate language, and a post that quoted it, repeating the inappropriate language. Thanks to those who brought it to our attention. |
sorry i quoted it, just didn't understand what the person was talking about. meant to bleep out the bad word :( |
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05/27/2005 09:36:10 AM · #32 |
Originally posted by kirbic:
A couple points of clarification:
- SC can see comments on entries in voting, but not the associated votes.
- There is already a system in place to automatically track abusive voting patterns, so real troll voters will simply have their votes discounted.
- While there are certainly a few "buddy" votes in each challenge, they can not affect voting in any significant way. Anyone caught trying to pourposefully influence the voting system is subject to penalties. We very much value the anonymity and fairness of the voting process.
In summary, the statistics have been analyzed to death, in the public forums and elsewhere, and a significant impact from troll (or buddy) voting has never been identified. |
I don't understand, why would someone want to "up" someone elses score by buddy voting because it will only go against your score, unless you have twice as many uping your score. It's like helping someone steal from your own house in my eyes. I do still believe that a vote less than 5 deserves, and always gets from me, comments. If the image fits the challenge you get a 5 and go up or down for quality, not for if I liked it or not. |
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05/27/2005 09:38:11 AM · #33 |
see below. for the most part we are all adults and can take a little bit of foul language, if not then parents signed a waver regardless.
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05/27/2005 09:39:21 AM · #34 |
Originally posted by BAMartin:
I always hate to request DQ, if it said ask for validation I would be much more apt to click the button. Its just semantics, but important sematics IMHO.
Barbara |
[[[I second that, good point!]]] |
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05/27/2005 09:40:11 AM · #35 |
Originally posted by sabphoto:
I don't understand, why would someone want to "up" someone elses score by buddy voting because it will only go against your score, unless you have twice as many uping your score. It's like helping someone steal from your own house in my eyes. I do still believe that a vote less than 5 deserves, and always gets from me, comments. If the image fits the challenge you get a 5 and go up or down for quality, not for if I liked it or not. |
This would happen when someone enters a challenge, then has their Aunt Claire, Uncle Dan, 6 brother and sisters and all their friends sign up just so they can vote and give their photo a high score and other photos low scores. Not allowed. |
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05/27/2005 09:42:53 AM · #36 |
Originally posted by notonline:
see below. for the most part we are all adults and can take a little bit of foul language, if not then parents signed a waver regardless. |
Sure can, but when it's directed at another user and has no point in this thread but to call out a nasty PM they received in response to a challenge photo, which should have been directed to site council member, I'm going to hide it.
Message edited by author 2005-05-27 09:43:24. |
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05/27/2005 09:51:23 AM · #37 |
| I think at some point, (if not already), DPC might be able to apply a statistical formula. (There are formulas that curve out scoring and then looks and drops a percentage of top/bottom based on deviation, etc. A math/statistics major could clarify what I am trying to say. I think it's associated or a variance on standard deviation. |
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05/27/2005 10:06:46 AM · #38 |
Originally posted by theSaj:
I think at some point, (if not already), DPC might be able to apply a statistical formula. (There are formulas that curve out scoring and then looks and drops a percentage of top/bottom based on deviation, etc. A math/statistics major could clarify what I am trying to say. I think it's associated or a variance on standard deviation. |
Great idea saj!!
another thing.... some messageboards have a filter that won't allow you to post certain bad words. Don't know how it's done but perhaps they could figure that out.... |
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05/27/2005 10:17:40 AM · #39 |
i really think we should take photos because we want to...not because we expect to get some score...you put photos up in this site ,be willing to take the good and the bad results....nasty comments arent acceptable...but if someone gives you a 3 or a 10 you asked their opinion...the important thing is to enjoy this process and learn ...again if you dont want to run the risk of people not liking your photos maybe this isnt the place to show them...
lets get some constuctive discussions going |
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05/27/2005 10:23:27 AM · #40 |
Originally posted by theSaj:
I think at some point, (if not already), DPC might be able to apply a statistical formula. (There are formulas that curve out scoring and then looks and drops a percentage of top/bottom based on deviation, etc. A math/statistics major could clarify what I am trying to say. I think it's associated or a variance on standard deviation. |
I am not a mathematician (but i'm married to one) ..
you could devise a way to remove outliers, anomoulus peaks , or other irregularities but you may disrupt the normal random population -- after all some photos may REALLY strike a cord in some people, for others
it may be bland or negitive .. by trying to smooth the curve you are removing some choice to the outliers. i am not suggesting that people vote 1 & 10's but for some the world really is black & white ...
(provided they don't do the same person(s) 10 & rest 1's) it is a resonalble assumtion that this is the way they see the world .
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05/27/2005 10:40:30 AM · #41 |
Why?
Originally posted by theSaj:
I think at some point, (if not already), DPC might be able to apply a statistical formula. (There are formulas that curve out scoring and then looks and drops a percentage of top/bottom based on deviation, etc. A math/statistics major could clarify what I am trying to say. I think it's associated or a variance on standard deviation. |
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05/27/2005 10:52:10 AM · #42 |
New default voting screen
Message edited by author 2005-05-27 10:54:47.
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05/27/2005 10:55:41 AM · #43 |
if you want a better score... then improve your work... look atthe top 20 of each challenge... and see why they're there... look at the PHOTO, not who the photograoher is .. teh top photogrpahers on thsi site deseerve to be there... they're out improving themselves all the time. The way the voting is on this site is good, and IMHO shoudl stay the way it is.
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05/27/2005 10:57:36 AM · #44 |
Originally posted by di53:
if you want a better score... then improve your work... look atthe top 20 of each challenge... and see why they're there... look at the PHOTO, not who the photograoher is .. teh top photogrpahers on thsi site deseerve to be there... they're out improving themselves all the time. The way the voting is on this site is good, and IMHO shoudl stay the way it is. |
ROCK ON ! |
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05/27/2005 11:08:16 AM · #45 |
Originally posted by di53:
if you want a better score... then improve your work... look atthe top 20 of each challenge... and see why they're there... look at the PHOTO, not who the photograoher is .. teh top photogrpahers on thsi site deseerve to be there... they're out improving themselves all the time. The way the voting is on this site is good, and IMHO shoudl stay the way it is. |
[inappropreate sarcasm]
nonono -- it is much easier to blame other people for my lack of skill & ability -- we should have only a single score to pick (10) so none of my selfesteem gets brused ...
[/inappropreate sarcasm]
slow down, take more pictures, think about the image & you will get better |
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05/27/2005 11:20:56 AM · #46 |
My kind of sarcasm!!
Exactly!
Originally posted by ralphnev:
Originally posted by di53:
if you want a better score... then improve your work... look atthe top 20 of each challenge... and see why they're there... look at the PHOTO, not who the photograoher is .. teh top photogrpahers on thsi site deseerve to be there... they're out improving themselves all the time. The way the voting is on this site is good, and IMHO shoudl stay the way it is. |
[inappropreate sarcasm]
nonono -- it is much easier to blame other people for my lack of skill & ability -- we should have only a single score to pick (10) so none of my selfesteem gets brused ...
[/inappropreate sarcasm]
slow down, take more pictures, think about the image & you will get better |
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05/27/2005 11:55:04 AM · #47 |
Originally posted by louddog:
New default voting screen
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That would be known as the "Politically correct, let's not hurt anyone's feelings, there is no 'wrong' way, everything is art" voting screen.
Would there be a Troll version as well? ;-)
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05/27/2005 12:37:59 PM · #48 |
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05/27/2005 01:00:45 PM · #49 |
Originally posted by louddog:
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Perfect!
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05/27/2005 01:12:06 PM · #50 |
Originally posted by di53:
Why?
Originally posted by theSaj:
I think at some point, (if not already), DPC might be able to apply a statistical formula. (There are formulas that curve out scoring and then looks and drops a percentage of top/bottom based on deviation, etc. A math/statistics major could clarify what I am trying to say. I think it's associated or a variance on standard deviation. |
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They're formulas that essentially are designed to weed out false statistics. If it exceeds a certain level of deviancy it is deemed that the data collection was in err. And thus discarded. A very very common practice in scientific statistics. It'd make most trolling + or - of no real affect.
[quote]"if you want a better score... then improve your work..."[/quote]
I think what people are complaining about is when they DO improve their work. And when they take a masterful and well composed and perfectly executed photo - but it is hurt because people believe it could NOT have been taken naturally and must have been photoshopped. And instead of requesting a DQ validation they slam it with their vote. These are usually not bad photos but ones that are usually getting rave reviews and criticisms but then find several low scores with comments akin to "well i don't see how this could have legally be taken so I just can't give it a good score"
LOOK...I understand your points but I also KNOW FOR A FACT that such happens. I've had comments where people have essentially stated "oh wow...I read the title and now realize how you took this shot...i thought it was just photoshopped but now that I realize it wasn't - great shot I've re-adjusted the score."
People get frustrated by the "This would have been a great shot if it had been real so I am voting it low since it's not." That's all... |
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