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05/18/2005 11:46:46 AM · #51 |
Originally posted by rex:
If you are that worried about it then request validation on your own photo and don't submit the original. It will then be DQ'ed. You will have a dq on the record though and SC will probably kick me in the butt for suggesting. |
Nope. As per the rules:
A user may request removal of their own photo, for any reason, but only if they have not been disqualified for any reason in their last 25 submissions. Eligibility is determined only by the userĂ¢€™s most recent 25 submissions, and does not "accumulate." Please note that subsequent DQs within the next 25 submissions may incur a penalty as set forth below. |
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05/18/2005 11:47:23 AM · #52 |
not EVERY photo you submit is going to get the scores you think it should. It is really only ONE challenge sso there is NO reason for your attitude about it.
I hve only entered 4 challenges so far, 2 are in progress and my work that I think is GREAT isn't even in my portfolio on this site yet... I'll get around to it eventually.
The first challenge I entered got a WAY LOW score becuase I submitted the photo too small. Yeah it was frustrating because I KNOW it would have scored far better had it been larger. It was a tad bit upsetting and all but you know what? I didn't pull a freak show about it.
I learned, moved on and am quite happy with my 2 current challenges. They are doing well. Not great but well.
This site has humbled me. Let it do the same to you. |
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05/18/2005 11:49:41 AM · #53 |
Originally posted by mk:
Originally posted by rex:
If you are that worried about it then request validation on your own photo and don't submit the original. It will then be DQ'ed. You will have a dq on the record though and SC will probably kick me in the butt for suggesting. |
Nope. As per the rules:
A user may request removal of their own photo, for any reason, but only if they have not been disqualified for any reason in their last 25 submissions. Eligibility is determined only by the userĂ¢€™s most recent 25 submissions, and does not "accumulate." Please note that subsequent DQs within the next 25 submissions may incur a penalty as set forth below. |
Does that mean the user has to have 25 previous submissions? Say I've entered 12 challenges, want to pull out of number 12, would the eligibility qualifier apply through my challenge 25 or would I not be able to pull it at all because I've not been in 25 challenges?
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05/18/2005 11:54:27 AM · #54 |
What's in a name? That which we call a rose by any other name would smell as sweet.
Yes the title is important, but the picture can take the place of 1000 words.
I'm sure you will do well.
All the Best. |
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05/18/2005 11:55:35 AM · #55 |
Originally posted by rgo:
Does that mean the user has to have 25 previous submissions? Say I've entered 12 challenges, want to pull out of number 12, would the eligibility qualifier apply through my challenge 25 or would I not be able to pull it at all because I've not been in 25 challenges? |
An interesting question! I believe that you can go ahead and request it to be removed without having participated in 25 challenges, as long as you haven't been DQed in any of the ones you have participated in. I will double check on this though. If I don't post back, assume this is the case.
Do make sure to check out the consequences for future disqualifications, though! |
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05/18/2005 12:08:16 PM · #56 |
I had to look...
In the Apple challenge there are at least 6 titles with misspelled words, 4 titles with foreign words in part or whole, 5 titles that would be improved by better punctuation, and about a zillion with the word "apple" in them.
And, for the record, I am very lenient with errors in the title and try not to let it affect my scoring. After all, I've uploaded the wrong file after editing for hours, slapped stupid titles on my entries, and replaced a submission at the last minute when I got cold feet--I expect that others do the same sort of silly things sometimes and try to treat them as I would like to be treated.
Whether it's your title that's misspelled or your pixels that are oversharpened, you should expect the helpful commenters to point that out.
Only the ribbons are virtual, the rest of the site (including insights) are quite real.
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05/18/2005 12:16:38 PM · #57 |
| wow....stamp me stupid...i didnt even catch it... |
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05/18/2005 12:23:38 PM · #58 |
Originally posted by KaDi:
I had to look...
In the Apple challenge there are at least 6 titles with misspelled words, 4 titles with foreign words in part or whole, 5 titles that would be improved by better punctuation, and about a zillion with the word "apple" in them.
And, for the record, I am very lenient with errors in the title and try not to let it affect my scoring. After all, I've uploaded the wrong file after editing for hours, slapped stupid titles on my entries, and replaced a submission at the last minute when I got cold feet--I expect that others do the same sort of silly things sometimes and try to treat them as I would like to be treated.
Whether it's your title that's misspelled or your pixels that are oversharpened, you should expect the helpful commenters to point that out.
Only the ribbons are virtual, the rest of the site (including insights) are quite real. |
and I thought I was alone in a world of errors.
best point of all.
thank you.
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05/18/2005 12:24:49 PM · #59 |
Originally posted by swinging_johnson_v1:
... how can I tell if the picture is bad now? when the majority of the comments are focused on the title, and not the weakness, or strength of the pix. ... |
You can't. No way you will ever know what score your entry would have earned with a correctly spelled title. This challenge becomes a throw out for you. You can pull it if you want to save yourself from it's score being included in your average, but you can't mess up again in any of the next 25 challenges you enter.
Or you can live and learn. Just let it be and move on.
You have nothing to gain by continuing to call attention to it, and to yourself, at this point.
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05/18/2005 12:43:55 PM · #60 |
I haven't started voting on the apples yet, but I did just look at the thumbnails and found spelling mistakes galore.
I don't intend to penalize for spelling mistakes, but to some level, at least, I assume I'll be influenced by them. I agree that expecting perfect spelling in forum posts is quite over the top, but the very few words in a title should be correct.
The day will come that I, too, will stuff up a title, but then I'll only have myself to blame and I'll try much harder again for a while.
There is one more side to this:
With SOME people being ever so touchy about negative criticism (and eager to send out mean PMs), it is tempting to comment on a nondebatable FACT, rather than more subjective areas like composition, lighting, focus etc.
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05/18/2005 01:02:47 PM · #61 |
A title that is personally insulting is the only one I've ever let affect my voting. I've always given the benefit of the doubt to spelling mistakes as there are many people here who don't speak english as their first toungue. I see mistakes everywhere, including in my own posts, which I consider informal. My own choice was to check a dictionary to write my title. Attention to detail is important amd spelling is something that bothers some of the DPCers as I've had messages on a post that told me to check my spelling with nothing else added to the discussion.
This site isn't as much about quality of photo but about trying to appeal to the fickle public. Inherent human nature is to want to look down on something, Bad spelling serves many an agenda.
Message edited by author 2005-05-18 13:04:56.
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05/18/2005 01:06:05 PM · #62 |
Originally posted by swinging_johnson_v1:
so I misspelled my title.
so everyone just look at the title and give me a big fat zero.
the pix does not matter now since my novice attempt is null and void since I did not use a spell check.
so i know that some of you rely on the dynamics of spelling and not the strenght of a pix, so give me a zero. give me a turd. just erase the pix off of your screen. call in a huge DQ.
my spelling sucks so banish me from this theme, and any other future themes, and posts.
I hope some words in this post is misspelled so that you don't have to read it. |
Rock on, SJ! I did as you suggested - hunted down the misspelled title photo and gave it a 1 and requested a DQ. Of course as others pointed out, there were several, so I smacked 'em all with a turd, just to make sure I got yours. Unfortunately I am not on the SC or an admin so I couldn't banish you from future themes or posts, but I did paintball your profile page!
LOL - Come on SJ - you need a vacation, man. Take a "Spelling Bee Cruise" - sorry - just jankin ya. Keep in mind that even if people point out a spelling mistake, doesn't mean they voted you down for it.
Relax, have fun. Go have a bear. ...I mean beer. Put it on my tab.
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05/18/2005 02:10:44 PM · #63 |
Originally posted by benhur:
What's in a name? That which we call a rose by any other name would smell as sweet. |
Wasn't there a Simpsons episode which dealt with this misconception?
'Lisa: His name doesn't matter, a rose by any other name would smell as sweet
Bart: Not if you called him Stench Blossom
Homer: Or Crap Weed' |
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05/18/2005 03:35:14 PM · #64 |
I am really annoyed by bad punctuation! I HATE apostrophes put in the wrong place, capital letters mis-used and commas badly used. If I downmarked any pic in a challenge because of this or because of spelling mistakes it wouldn't be worth my being part of this site. I look at the photo, try in my amateur way to make a judgement on its quality as a photo, judge whether it appeals to me and answers the challenge and come to some conclusion as to a fair score. I do not tick or cross the title for errors as I didn't think the photos were being placed for sale in this form but were entered on the above criteria. As far as I know, whether the photographer spells the title (or punctuates it properly) isn't in the rules, nor is it important. If they were for sale the publisher/editor would check for errors.
Let's really think about improving our photography through interaction on this site, not our English skills!
And if I have made any mistakes in this I DO NOT WANT TO KNOW!
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05/18/2005 04:19:51 PM · #65 |
Posted by Riponlady " If they were for sale the publisher/editor would check for errors."
Ok...I'm one of those turds who will take a point off or so for bad spelling in titles, but let me explain why.
When you present your artwork, be it photography, paintings, etc. to any publisher/gallery/corporate entity, your portfolio must be in perfect order, titles and all.It is not their job to fix your mistakes. I have worked in many a gallery setting as juror and "helper" and I can say this...if we are looking through a porfolio, be it digital, slides or actual hard copy and something is spelled wrong, it's like handing in a resume with spelling errors...the kiss of death. THIS is why I will take off for spelling errors...it's MY art background that makes me so "anal", but I will also take off points for a work of "technical perfection" that doesn't "move" me in some way. I have given some excellent scores to some "technically challenged" images. Yes, yes I know this site is all about fun and is not a "gallery"... it has been super fun for me, crappy scores and all! What we have to remember though is that everyone has their own voting methods based on what they know, what their background is and what they deem "important" when looking at an image.
Rachel
PS: please pardon any spelling or grammar problems. : }
I never had a problem w/bad spelling in the forums...just titles. {{{giggles}}}
Message edited by author 2005-05-18 16:29:52. |
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05/18/2005 05:08:46 PM · #66 |
sorry logged in to check husband's score and posted as him!
My reply follows!!
Message edited by author 2005-05-18 17:10:26. |
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05/18/2005 05:11:26 PM · #67 |
Originally posted by rktdesign:
Posted by Riponlady " If they were for sale the publisher/editor would check for errors."
Ok...I'm one of those turds who will take a point off or so for bad spelling in titles, but let me explain why.
When you present your artwork, be it photography, paintings, etc. to any publisher/gallery/corporate entity, your portfolio must be in perfect order, titles and all.It is not their job to fix your mistakes. I have worked in many a gallery setting as juror and "helper" and I can say this...if we are looking through a porfolio, be it digital, slides or actual hard copy and something is spelled wrong, it's like handing in a resume with spelling errors...the kiss of death. THIS is why I will take off for spelling errors...it's MY art background that makes me so "anal", but I will also take off points for a work of "technical perfection" that doesn't "move" me in some way. I have given some excellent scores to some "technically challenged" images. Yes, yes I know this site is all about fun and is not a "gallery"... it has been super fun for me, crappy scores and all! What we have to remember though is that everyone has their own voting methods based on what they know, what their background is and what they deem "important" when looking at an image.
Rachel
PS: please pardon any spelling or grammar problems. : }
I never had a problem w/bad spelling in the forums...just titles. {{{giggles}}} |
I take your point and I don't think you are a turd for judging on your criteria. That's what I like about these forums-we can all say what we think, hopefully without anyone taking offence.
I think my problem with punctuation is just that - my problem! I wouldn't inflict It on anyone else.
One thing though - HOW DO YOU DECIDE ON THE CORRECT SPELLING? AMERICAN ENGLISH IS NOT THE LANGUAGE I WRITE (COLOR, COLOUR, CENTER, CENTRE). Would I be downmarked for a title if I called a faucet, a tap; an elevator, a lift; a sidewalk, a pavement or a trunk, a boot?
This is developing into a very interesting thread!!
(I love a good arguement!!)
(grins evilly with anticipation) |
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05/18/2005 05:20:45 PM · #68 |
I'd never mark down on title, but I have marked up on title. One example turned out to belong to kpriest's rubber duck, which I gave a 10 based mostly on the title. Hey, it made me laugh! "Grapes of Bath", c'mon!
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05/18/2005 05:41:44 PM · #69 |
From Riponlady: "One thing though - HOW DO YOU DECIDE ON THE CORRECT SPELLING? AMERICAN ENGLISH IS NOT THE LANGUAGE I WRITE (COLOR, COLOUR, CENTER, CENTRE). Would I be downmarked for a title if I called a faucet, a tap; an elevator, a lift; a sidewalk, a pavement or a trunk, a boot? This is developing into a very interesting thread!!"
This is completely interesting!Hmmmmm...you have opened up a whole other can of worms! EXCELLENT! I wouldn't mark any of those as a spelling error or any kind of error...I would just assume the artist was from the United Kingdom somewhere. : } |
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05/18/2005 05:45:07 PM · #70 |
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
I'd never mark down on title, but I have marked up on title. One example turned out to belong to kpriest's rubber duck, which I gave a 10 based mostly on the title. Hey, it made me laugh! "Grapes of Bath", c'mon!
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I completely agree with ya one this one...I've done the very same thing, there is nothing better than a cheeky title...goes to show you just how important a title can be. |
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05/18/2005 05:46:08 PM · #71 |
Originally posted by rktdesign:
This is completely interesting!Hmmmmm...you have opened up a whole other can of worms! EXCELLENT! I wouldn't mark any of those as a spelling error or any kind of error...I would just assume the artist was from the United Kingdom somewhere. : } |
Only because YOU are aware of the differences - not everyone is!
Or maybe I'm an American who can't spell! |
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05/26/2005 10:42:05 PM · #72 |
Well, I checked his comments and many people left comments about other ways he can improve the photo. But, he doesn't want to. He would rather send rude private messages correcting other's typos.
I say I am done with this pity party!
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05/26/2005 11:35:33 PM · #73 |
Spelling is important....HOWEVER, we have several people that english is not their first language and I would not expect them to be able to spell correctly all the time....hell I don't spell correctly all the time and english IS my first language! :)
I don't take the title into consideration and I certainly don't the spelling into consideration....I take the "photo" into consideration only. Yes a title can draw you in....but it's not a factor in my voting process....I think it would be grossly unfair.
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05/27/2005 08:29:31 AM · #74 |
I never worry about spelling. The English rules in the United States, with respect to spelling, are different then the rules for Canada, England and all other colonial Englished language based countries.
Here is the address for a spell checker that works under Internet Explorer.
//www.iespell.com/download.php
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05/28/2005 08:00:53 PM · #75 |
Ok I'll throw in my two dimes after reading the whole thread.
1. In my opinion there's a great difference in offering a portfolio to a gallery, or just entering a photochallenge for fun on the internet.
2. Most of you suggest to use the spelling check. Well that's nice and very useful for members who obviously have an English version of Windows, but not useful at all for all those 'foreigners' who's windows is set to their own native language.
3. To title submissions in one's native language would provide some rather interesting titles, but you, the English speaking members, wouldn't have a clue of what it is saying, would you.
I'm Dutch and I just submitted to 'Beauty', but if I'd titled my submission like "Schaapskudde in avondlicht" it would exactly meet the photo's subject, but would you know what I was saying?
4. Some find a title very important, I personally don't. Put a photo on the screen and ask 50 members to title it and you'll probably end up with 50 different titles and each single one will meet the subject in one way or other.
5. I'm not a pro and probably a lot of members aren't either, just doing this for fun. So... what's the fuzz about a misspelled title and giving lower points for the misspelling.
It isn't really a grammar/spelling contest, is it.
6. As I'm a pure amateur as far as photographic technique is concerned, I can only judge a photo on: the way it meets the challenge (in my opinion), composition, use of colors, originality, if it's appealing to me (wich is very subjective of course), etc. And I rate accordingly (if that's the right word).
7. I don't like the statement "this or that you rather not do, because 'the voters' don't like that". If that's something we need to consider when submitting entries, it will kill the fantasy of many I'd say and we'll end up with photo's that meet 'what the voters want' in order to get a high score, in other words: we'll end up bored, because all photo's will look the same (at least they would to me) in stead of seeing surprisingly different views.
But who am I to judge. I'm only a Dutchie, who doesn't have an English spelling check on her pc, but who uses a dictionary Dutch/Eng. en Eng./Dutch program to look for the right spelling sometimes, but often ends up choosing the wrong synonyms anyway.
Let's just have fun when looking at the efforts of our fellow members. And because (again in my opinion) everybody is doing their utmost best, I don't rate below 4 and don't rate a 10 (nobody is perfect).
Ok, now you may shoot me :)
Titia
Message edited by author 2005-05-28 20:06:46.
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