Nikon D70, Rebel xt or rebel 300?

Nikon AF Zoom-Nikkor 70-200mm f/2.8 VR DG IF-ED

05/27/2005 02:47:07 AM · #26

Originally posted by art-inept:

NEVERRR!! i mean, well...pedro, i feel that for the budget consumer, canon glass is probably the way to go. the nikkor range goes from really cheap cheap lenses and jumps to high end 1k+ glass. as far as i know, there's not much of a middle ground. and even when there is, the difference between nikon and canon in general is that canon uses a lot of its higher end technology like image stabilizer, digic II, etc. in a lot of its mid range line. you practically have to reach the nikkor 70-200 vr to get their vibration reduction (equivalent to canon's IS system). canon's the only company who even puts IS into a point and shoot (s1 and s2 IS). it's crazy talk.

The 24-120 VR?

Pedro

Nikon D200

05/27/2005 02:48:07 AM · #27

Originally posted by art-inept:

yeah that's pretty much what i meant. top of the line, they're the same, but Canon has a better lineup in the lower end and mid-range. I've stuck with high-end Nikkor lenses, and don't regret it for a second.

art-inept

Olympus C-5060WZ

Canon EF 35mm f/2.0

05/27/2005 02:56:26 AM · #28

colda - im not extremely familiar with nikkor but i believe the 70-200 is one of their cheaper lenses which use VR effectively.

pedro - have you ever used high end canon L glass? if you have, could you do some sort of comparison between the nikkor glass you own and that?

and does anyone know when the d200 is supposed to come out?

05/27/2005 03:28:33 AM · #29

Canon's current camera range: 300D, 350D, 20D, 1D mkII, 1Ds mkII
Nikon's current camera range: D50, D70, D2H, D2X

When you're buying Canon vs. Nikon you're investing in a lens system. Weigh up how long you intend to keep the camera body and if you expect to upgrade cameras. Also weigh up what lenses you would like to use, and for which lens system they are available.

For me, owning a 300D (or as an example a 10D for comparison purposes), I have a LOT of choice for upgrades. Had I bought a D70 I would have practically no upgrade path in my price range.

Nikon AF Zoom-Nikkor 70-200mm f/2.8 VR DG IF-ED

05/27/2005 03:31:17 AM · #30

Originally posted by PaulMdx:

Canon's current camera range: 300D, 350D, 20D, 1D mkII, 1Ds mkII
Nikon's current camera range: D50, D70, D2H, D2X

Just a side note, for a Nikon based camera that fits in the mid-range between the D70 and the D2X there is the Fuji S3

Pedro

Nikon D200

05/27/2005 03:45:14 AM · #31

Originally posted by art-inept:

I've used the Canon 17-40mm L on a Rebel (awesome - fast, sharp), and the 70-200 F4 IS. it's also fast and sharp, but not a fair comparison to the Nikkor 70-200 F2.8 VR. everyone i know who's used the Canon version (F2.8) raves avout it, and the sharpness is obvious just looking at the stuff on this site shot with that lens.

As i said...in my estimation there's no appreciable difference between the Canon L IS lenses and the Nikkor ED VR lenses. Except that canon couldn't afford the black paint so they have those silly white things. Kinda the camera equivalent of white running shoes with a black suit. Just kiddin. :P

Nikon AF Zoom-Nikkor 70-200mm f/2.8 VR DG IF-ED

05/27/2005 03:49:57 AM · #32

Originally posted by Pedro:

the 70-200 F4 IS. it's also fast and sharp, but not a fair comparison to the Nikkor 70-200 F2.8 VR. everyone i know who's used the Canon version (F2.8) raves avout it

The 70-200/4L doesn't have IS.

Pedro

Nikon D200

05/27/2005 04:13:22 AM · #33

Originally posted by PaulMdx:

Originally posted by Pedro:
the 70-200 F4 IS. it's also fast and sharp, but not a fair comparison to the Nikkor 70-200 F2.8 VR. everyone i know who's used the Canon version (F2.8) raves avout it

The 70-200/4L doesn't have IS.

you are correct...my mistake. I used the 300mm F4 IS, and the 70-200 F4.

05/27/2005 04:33:45 AM · #34

Originally posted by Pedro:

Except that canon couldn't afford the black paint so they have those silly white things. Kinda the camera equivalent of white running shoes with a black suit. Just kiddin. :P

I was just curious about 70-200VR prices and was shocked to find this!

Idea-stealing Nikkor!!

05/27/2005 04:43:11 AM · #35

Originally posted by PaulMdx:

Originally posted by Pedro:
Except that canon couldn't afford the black paint so they have those silly white things. Kinda the camera equivalent of white running shoes with a black suit. Just kiddin. :P

I was just curious about 70-200VR prices and was shocked to find this!

Idea-stealing Nikkor!!

It's not white it's light grey ;)

Nikon AF Nikkor 85mm f/1.4D IF

05/27/2005 04:45:55 AM · #36

Originally posted by colda:

It's not white it's light grey ;)

Canon's telephoto lenses are a kind of creamy off white, so I guess it's fairly similar?

You Nikonites just want to blend into the Canon crowd. ;-)

ergo

05/27/2005 04:46:52 AM · #37

Originally posted by Pedro:

Except that canon couldn't afford the black paint so they have those silly white things. Kinda the camera equivalent of white running shoes with a black suit. Just kiddin. :P

I took a can of black paint and applied it to the 70-200 L IS. It worked like a charm, except the paint flakes a bit when I turn the zoom ring.

;-)

e301

05/27/2005 06:40:03 AM · #38

It is not just a glass decision: there's also CMOS v CCD, and Digic II v whatever the Nikon processor is. That is what made my mind up when I faced this choice a couple months ago

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pawdrix

Nikon D700

05/27/2005 07:00:23 AM · #39

Regarding "moire" I've never seen it in any of my pictures and when I speak with other D70 users no one else has a problem with it either.

I have no noise problems either, even when forced to use high ISO's. The D70 system seems to have a good reputation for being low noise across the board.

You can go either way when weighing the numbers but as mentioned before, it's you who will make the pictures happen or not. You can take great pictures with every single camera mentioned.

The feel of the camera weighed heavily in my decision.

In an odd way I'm happy that Nikon doesn't have an upgrdae to the D70 (beyond the D70s)because I don't need it at the moment. In a year or two when I'm ready the jump(advances)in technology should be significant enough so the timing of a new realease will be right in the pocket.

Canon EF 70-300mm f/4.0-5.6 IS USM

05/27/2005 07:42:45 AM · #40

Thanks for all of the responses!

I would like a camera I can grow into as my skills get better and as I find along the way I may have money to get more lenses, etc. For right now, $1000 is my ultimate budget so I need to get something that will work really well with the kit it comes with. I have not invested in any lenses yet and am not really familiar with any.

I am trying to get a camera that will be good for:

local art exhibits for which I would like to be able to print
larger than 8x10 and still have a really good quality print; and

be good enough to produce photos for some of the stock sights
(like Alamy when my skills get there - right now I post to
Dreamstime and I have had a lot of rejects lately for noise and
so don't even try to upload there anymore).

I think now both the Rebel xt and Nikon D70 sound like they are really good cameras. AS far as feel, I couldn't decide that either:) While the canon was nice and light, it was also too small to feel like I had a really good grip on it (don't want to drop it); the Nikon felt much easier to hold onto, but feels like it may get heavy after a while. (I have a slight case of carpel tunnel so need to be somewhat careful with holding) I will go look again this weekend but feel much more like I know more of what each camera can do:)

Please feel free to keep posting your opinions - they are very, very helpful!

Thanks, bj

JoelHSmith

Fujifilm FinePix S1 Pro

Nikon AF Nikkor 85mm f/1.8D

05/27/2005 07:55:33 AM · #41

Keep in mind when you are hearing arguments about which camera to buy that there are 2811 Rebel users and only 1643 D70 users. The Nikonians are outnumbered by about 2 to 1 here, partially because the Rebel came out way before the D70.

Forget about the camera and decide what lens system you want. A pro Nikkor lens will last you 20 years. In fact I have some 25 year old MF Nikkors that I still use for macro product photography. Nikon is commited to compatability,between most of what they've made inthe past and everything they will in the future,

notonline

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

05/27/2005 08:04:25 AM · #42

lol ok sorry your name makes me laugh. I would suggest the 350D XT instead of either of the other 2. if you go for the 300d you will want to upgrade in a year or so and the Nixon is not worth it when you can get the 350D XT for the same price or thereabouts.

deapee

Kodak V803

Nikon AF Nikkor 50mm f/1.8D

05/27/2005 08:27:22 AM · #43

Originally posted by Pedro:

Originally posted by deapee:
faster buffer,

faster buffer? no. The D70 buffer is far faster than the dRebel...I've had both; trust me on this one.

... (they fixed the start-up and buffer issues of the 300d), higher res, fater buffer, and it maintains exceptionally low noise according to pop-photog magazine.

I was comparing the XT to the rebel...so you just quoted me, disagreed with me, then re-stated what I originally said, but made a typo (fater instead of faster) in doing so.

05/27/2005 08:32:26 AM · #44

You really should get a D70, it's clear from this thread (and many others) that D70 owners are much nicer people, far more entertaining and agreeable than those pedantic, humourless dRebel owners, who are only so bitter because they chose the wrong camera! ;)

Nuno

Nikon D700

05/27/2005 08:44:47 AM · #45

Some people did put a good issue here: IF you plan to upgrade, Canon can provide more choise regarding camera bodyes than Nikon. And this is a good thing to think about.

But in how many time will you have the money to upgrade to a Mk1 or so if you go Canon?

I'm starting to shoot weddings and other stuff and my D70 is mutch more than I need for that kind of shooting. And probably if you need more than a D70 can give you probably the 350 XT can't deliver either!

And then you have to go to pro level. Then you have to go to D2x or Canon equivalent.

I LOVE my D70. When I have the money I'll buy another D70 has backup, or a Fuji S3pro or a used D2X (I would love to put my hands on one).

Remenber that from 6mp to 8 mp there's only about 20% more pixels, so if you don't crop a lot it's not a big difference.

Make your choice, don't ever look back and have tons of fun.

Just another issue. The 17-70mm lens that came with the D70 is a very serious lens, high qualaty, not like the 18-55 canon kit lens for what I've heard.

05/27/2005 08:50:46 AM · #46

Nuno, as an upgrade to the 350D there's the 20D.

Upgrading from a D70 you've only got the D2H or the D2X, both of which are relatively expensive.

Prof_Fate

05/27/2005 10:26:29 AM · #47

What do you plan to do with the camera and do you care what people think?
Generally, Canon has more bodies and choices in bodies, cheaper to buy lenses (on average...) and mroe lenses to choose from.

quality is about the same. If you want to be serious, none of your choices are gonna be world travelilng 100k picture shooting supertools.

If you want to get better glass now, you can buy a less expensive body and later get a better body and use the old one as a backup (important if you are making money with your camera as in weddings, etc)

Nikon's D50 is coming soon too.

The choice is not so much about whcich camera, but which system or philosophy.

Canon EF 70-300mm f/4.0-5.6 IS USM

05/27/2005 11:31:59 AM · #48

Hi everyone,

I think I am getting close to a decision! Now to through another thing into the mix -

What do you think is better - buy from local camera shop and pay more, or buy online or from a major retailer? I am thinking about after purchase service. (p.s. I live in a rural area and really only have the one shop close by)

Thanks again, bj

notonline