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05/24/2005 01:12:57 PM · #1 |
I've seen some great photos since being on this sight and i have seen some photos that look like paintings, how do you score these photos? i mean its one thing to be a pro at Photoshop but at the same time it takes away from the true photo. i love the work that comes out of PS and the results it shows are wonderful, but the ones that are so over processed to where u cant tell if its a photo, i think is taking it a bit too far even if it does turn out great..i dont feel that it shows your talent as photographer, IMO it just shows your PS abitility's.
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05/24/2005 01:14:12 PM · #2 |
Originally posted by queanbeez:
I've seen some great photos since being on this sight and i have seen some photos that look like paintings, how do you score these photos? i mean its one thing to be a pro at Photoshop but at the same time it takes away from the true photo. i love the work that comes out of PS and the results it shows are wonderful, but the ones that are so over processed to where u cant tell if its a photo, i think is taking it a bit too far even if it does turn out great..i dont feel that it shows your talent as photographer, IMO it just shows your PS abitility's. |
How do you know the painted look was achieved in PS and not in camera? Painted effects can be achieved in camera.
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05/24/2005 01:15:10 PM · #3 |
And this is why there are rules about editing.
If something looks like a painting it doesn't always mean it was photoshopped. There are techniques to take photos and make them look like painting.
I guess I might annoy people if I get to show-off my rose photo AGAIN, but feel free to look at it in my portfolio. It looks painted but it was taken this way. Not PS'ed
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05/24/2005 01:16:26 PM · #4 |
I score down slightly for shots that strike me as too unrealistic, and down severely for extreme overprocessing. Most everyone else scores up in the former, but do seem to swing back down in extreme gratuitous cases of the latter. As always, shoot for your audience. You might want to spend a couple weeks going over previous challenges and breaking down shots into categories, to see how they do with minor changes.
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05/24/2005 01:19:23 PM · #5 |
Had voters realized the effect was done in camera, then I have no doubt it would've ribboned. |
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05/24/2005 01:21:37 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by Zed Pobre:
I score down slightly for shots that strike me as too unrealistic, and down severely for extreme overprocessing. Most everyone else scores up in the former, but do seem to swing back down in extreme gratuitous cases of the latter. As always, shoot for your audience. You might want to spend a couple weeks going over previous challenges and breaking down shots into categories, to see how they do with minor changes. |
That doesn't seem fair. what about all the darkroom stuff that people with regular 35mm can do. Much of that is in no way different than using PS. Just because it is digital doesn't mean it is overprocessed or not straight from the camera. I admit there are a few that you know massive work was done but they shouldn't be are probably aren't allowed in the challenge. |
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05/24/2005 01:26:17 PM · #7 |
well i personally dont score down because of it, if you are that artistic than good for you!! i just think that sometimes its a little much, i'm not sure what is done with PS or in the camera anymore. I'm still learning, i just wanted to say my opinion on those photos..and if you can do it especially with your camera than great job, but the ones that i was talking about were not through the camera.
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05/24/2005 01:27:59 PM · #8 |
I have an image in the current apple challenge that might look a bit too processed for some tastes, though it is not that heavily processed and within the challenge rules. I entered it knowing that it would probably not do well for that reason. However, I really like it!
I don't mind my score reflecting the specific tastes of DPC, but the only thing I object to is receiving lots of compliments as my only comments, coupled with a low score. I am left guessing at the reason for what must be a lot of sub-5 votes. If you are going to vote an image down for "over processing", then add a really short comment so I can confirm my suspicions!
As an aside, I note that my score has gone up noticeably since DQ validation: shame I did not get validated before I hit 280 votes, as those early Doubting-Thomases have crippled my score, methinks!
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05/24/2005 01:30:01 PM · #9 |
If someone is very savvy with PS then the effect can be the same as if it was done in camera. It's very hard to tell in a lot of cases.
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05/24/2005 01:40:47 PM · #10 |
I have submitted a fair number of shots that look like paintings (IMHO at least), and they generally don't score well.
I always do it entirely in camera, though in the most recent Dreams challenge, perhaps I learned my lesson, as those who used filters even to do the same types of motion blur beat me at my own game.
But I do like painting with the camera in this way, so I'll probably continue to do it, and continue to get slaughtered in challenges ;)
Check my profile page for lots of examples. My personal favorite of all time (so far) though is:
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05/24/2005 01:43:11 PM · #11 |
yeh these arent the kind of photos that i'm talking about. the ones i'm talkin about look more like mural's.
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05/24/2005 02:02:22 PM · #12 |
My Kodak produces a "look" quite often that people describe as "painted" and they mean it as critical comment; strange thing, is that I love it in many cases. I guess it is all a matter of tastes. One person asked me "how" I created one of my "effects" and I couldn't give them anything to try on their own becuase it was so much a part of what my camera produces (if I don't try to remove it with NI, USM, etc.). Neil, I had many mixed feeling about the folks recreating what you do with your camera by using PS. On the one hand, imitation really is a great form of flattery, but on the other hand - it just isn't the same feeling for me. I personally get thrilled with what can be done with the camera; PS is just the icing on the cake.
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05/24/2005 02:11:59 PM · #13 |
| I guess I'm getting old, and my roots are in film, but I agree over digitized images kinda leave me cold. Done in PS or in the camera is somewhat irrelevant. I feel editing should enhance, not create the image. photos that are mediocre at best can be altered to cover weak points and create fine images. not my idea of good photography. But.....photography is an art form and subjective. If I like it or not doesnt mean it is good or bad. Vote as you see and feel. Thats what it is all about. |
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05/24/2005 02:36:18 PM · #14 |
It is interesting that the first photographs in the 1840s attempted to reproduce the feel of classical paintings in order to gain acceptance with the masses. And while its journalistic benefits were proven during the Civil War, photography was not welcomed into the community of art until about the mid-twentieth century, because it was considered either "too literal", "too shallow" or "too easily produced" to be a valued representation.
It just speaks of mankind's diversity that some are touched by a crisp, literal interpretation of a scene, while others enjoy having their emotions plucked with an emotive flavoring from the photographer's heart. There is no right or wrong. There is only taste.
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05/24/2005 02:42:54 PM · #15 |
 West Side View. I should have called this West Side Story to clarify the firescape. I got reamed for this one and if my brain is functioning at a respectable level during the entry deadline this would be pulled (or not entered at all).
This is as painted as I get but I'm not exactly sure what you are refering to, when you say "like murals" . I'm beginning to enjoy these types of shots in the Challenges and give them decent ratings if I'm reasonably certain they were done with intent. Are you refering to crazy processing where the colors are from another world?
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