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05/20/2005 02:08:31 PM · #1

Sometimes I submit a photo where I feel that the score speaks for itself, and I don't really need comments.

If during voting people could see that I don't really want comments on my entry, they could spare their time and give comments to the other people who really wants them.

Just a suggestion.. Any interest in this? Not sure if it has been suggested before..

RolandB

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

05/20/2005 02:35:01 PM · #2

I think that's a pretty interesting idea. Are you thinking something like a button we could click on that would show when our picture comes up for a vote?

One thing that might work against this is someone could infer that a picture was doing well in the challenge, and it could open the possibility for votes to be changed. Don't know if that is just me being paranoid or not :)

It will be interesting to see where this thread goes.

Raynox Pro Digital 0.66X Wide Angle Conversion

05/20/2005 02:57:35 PM · #3

Originally posted by RolandB:

Are you thinking something like a button we could click on that would show when our picture comes up for a vote?

Yes, exactly.

Originally posted by RolandB:

One thing that might work against this is someone could infer that a picture was doing well in the challenge, and it could open the possibility for votes to be changed

You mean people might give a lower vote because you don't want comments?

Yes.. I can see that.. But since it would be your own choice, I believe in the end it would benefit DPC more as a whole if more people who really wanted comments could get them.

Not sure what more disadvantages it would be..

Having a ribbon winner with no comments might be bad, but if you had the possibility to open up comments after the challange was over, it could work.

RolandB

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

05/20/2005 03:02:14 PM · #4

While we're at it, let's add another button that when we click on it, a little icon of a poor beggar would display next to our picture to let voters know we're begging for comments! :)

05/20/2005 03:09:47 PM · #5

Rofl

Great idea.. that would be so cute!

05/20/2005 06:40:20 PM · #6

Raynox Pro Digital 0.66X Wide Angle Conversion

05/21/2005 11:02:55 AM · #7

You know you want it!

:p

RolandB

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

05/21/2005 11:59:14 AM · #8

Originally posted by Sonda:

You know you want it!

:p

Made me laugh! I guess everyone's out taking pics for the challenge!
I do think you've got a potentially good idea.

Message edited by author 2005-05-21 11:59:52.

Art Roflmao

Canon EOS-6D Mark II

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

05/21/2005 12:25:40 PM · #9

I like the idea.

beckettboots

05/21/2005 01:02:51 PM · #10

In addition, would it be possible to be able to turn off comments during the challenge?

Sometimes I submit a bad photo and after about five comments I've heard what's wrong with it (and agree) and wouldn't want folks to waste their time commenting to try to help me.

I've noticed that when you look over the results that it's the top photos and the bottom photos that get the comments, but not the middle ones. Maybe if we were able to turn off our acceptance of comments it would spread them out more evenly. (Of course you can't make voters feel "moved" to give comments.)

It's a nice suggestion, Sonda.

HBunch

HP PhotoSmart 315

05/21/2005 03:34:37 PM · #11

I think it's very important to get a wide variety of opinions on your shot. What if you have your comments 'turned off' but a voter feels compelled to comment? It woud get very frusterating for a voter/commenter to want to make a comment and not be able to.
A score doesn't tell you what's wrong with the photo that voters don't like. Maybe I gave you a 2 because I didn't like the subject, someone else gave you a 2 because they thought it was too out of focus, someone else gave you a 7 because they liked the soft focus, someone else gives you a 9 because they thought it was funny, and someone else gives you a 1 because they find it offensive. That's a wide variety of reasons with some liking one aspect while others hate the same aspect. How does your score tell you that?

DanSig

05/21/2005 04:07:18 PM · #12

the "button" might just be a reminder that the owner of the photo isn't looking for comments and would like voters to comment on other pictures instead, but commenting would still be possible if someone couldn't resist the urge to comment ;)

that way voters would get a hint to comment on other pictures without disabling the comment box for the picture.

05/21/2005 04:50:35 PM · #13

Originally posted by hbunch7187:

That's a wide variety of reasons with some liking one aspect while others hate the same aspect. How does your score tell you that?

Well.. My thoughts were these.. For example .. At times I know what photo I want to make, and I create exactly that, I don't want to change anything.. I made exactly how much and what would be in focus, what tones.. etc. So I might just be wondering how it is percieved by the general public.. not really looking for advice.

But yes, turning off comments completely might be too harsh.. Like Dansig said, maybe just a reminder button for someone who doesn't want comments, or a beggar button for someone who really wants-needs comments like Roland said..

05/21/2005 05:19:11 PM · #14

Originally posted by RolandB:

Made me laugh! I guess everyone's out taking pics for the challenge!
I do think you've got a potentially good idea.

lol.. yea, I guess I should too!

I've been thinking about it for awhile.. But if anyone thinks that it would be bad for the site, then just forget about it..

No big deal.. I know we need to be careful with any changes on here...

05/21/2005 06:05:39 PM · #15

While we are at it, why not have a set list of voting criteria:

Composition: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
Focus: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
Color: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
Meets Challenge: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
Blah: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
Blah: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
Blah: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
Autor wants/does not want comments
Additional Comments:______

The voter cliq's the appropriate score given in each criteria. The Site averages the score, and we get scored on the same thing by everyone instead of everyone making up their own criteria for scoring images, which is possibly why we have so much vasilation between scores.

DanSig

05/21/2005 07:59:48 PM · #16

Originally posted by sofapez:

this is a great idea, but then the number of entries in each challenge would have to be limited to 50 images, nobody can go through 300 images in each challenge and vote on 5-6 different issues on each picture plus a comment.. that would mean 1500-1800 votes per challenge + 300 comments, the voting time would be over before anyone had finished voting ;)

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

05/22/2005 12:04:13 PM · #17

Yeah, I think the voting criteria would be a really cool thing to actually get a more extensive view from each voter, not just the commenters.

Unfortunately like Dansig said, it would proll take too long for most people to vote each challange this way...

Another drawback is that I also think it might make people less inclined to actually write something, and numbers are not a good replacement for real comments...

The Autor wants/does not want comments could just be that the title of the Photo would be in different colors.. For example- Green colored title could mean that the Photog really wants-need comments .

gaurawa

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

05/22/2005 12:11:10 PM · #18

Good idea, but I don't think many ppl will ever choose an option of 'Do not want comments'. I submit here for not just for votes, but comments and feedback. Even for photos which are exactly what I wanted and I am not going to change anything, I want to know what everyone else feels about my vision of the shot.

05/22/2005 12:38:53 PM · #19

Yah.. Maybe you are right..

The interest in this does not seem to be very intense :p

Just thought there might be more people who sometimes feel that once in awhile they would be willing to direct the attention towards others who might need-want it more.

05/22/2005 12:49:13 PM · #20

Originally posted by Sonda:

Unfortunately like Dansig said, it would proll take too long for most people to vote each challange this way...

Another drawback is that I also think it might make people less inclined to actually write something, and numbers are not a good replacement for real comments...

The Autor wants/does not want comments could just be that the title of the Photo would be in different colors.. For example- Green colored title could mean that the Photog really wants-need comments .

I spend most of my time voting trying to be fair to the entry(author). To go through the criteria as simular to what I laid out would be faster for me and more fair to the image since it is already laid out. The comment area then becomes a space for voters to qualify their vote, should you so choose, and since the vote is consistent with the criteria (maybe even a "subjective 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 .. could be listed)it becomes more fair for the entry's as well since everyone is voting on the same things, which is not happening now.

I welcome all comments eventhough I have recieved some that have been unconstructive and even rude unfair putdowns. I also feel that the majority of comments go to the top runners becuase the commenters don't want to be perceived as mean, or rude.

Comments such as "this sucks!" are only helpful in as much as the entrent knows someone didn't like it. It doesn't help them improve. The criteria would force these commenters to qualify their comment.

05/22/2005 12:53:33 PM · #21

Originally posted by Sonda:

More people would welcome comments if they where more constructive. Relatively few people willingly will place themselves in a position to repeatedly be injured (physically or mentally).

05/22/2005 01:12:00 PM · #22

Originally posted by DanSig:

It what people are doing now in a less consise manner. It (I say again) would go much faster for most people.

Not everyone votes on every challenge, which is evidensed by the numbers; over 3000 members and 300 or 400 hundreds votes. So even if it does take some people longer, the value of the votes for everyone becomes greater as it is actually more informative.

And (Sonda) interest; I think they are just watching the thread and digesting the idea.

Also, I may not change my image because of voting and/or comments (unless I get a truely constructive and helpful comment). I do no less then consider other opiniions, and it may influence an image to be produced in a future challenge.

Please bear in mind I say all this in good spirit, and by no means am I trying to "get down" on anybody.

05/23/2005 01:59:51 PM · #23

Originally posted by sofapez:

I also feel that the majority of comments go to the top runners becuase the commenters don't want to be perceived as mean, or rude.

Comments such as "this sucks!" are only helpful in as much as the entrent knows someone didn't like it. It doesn't help them improve. The criteria would force these commenters to qualify their comment.

Yes, I agree with this to some extent..

In a way, comments like "this sucks" did help me to improve as well, they made me try harder.. Even though it does hurt :p But this might not be true for everyone.

And I'm such a person who can't shrug off comments like that very easy either...

I believe this idea about comments-voting criteria has been discussed before(couldn't find that thread), and another argument was that "bad" comments worked as a good "crowd control", if there were no bad comments, then we would be flooded with images.

And another argument was that apparently more people on here thought it was easier to just write a comment if they thought that the focus- white balance etc was off on a certain image.. At least those who were discussing the thread.. I have no idea what the true majority thinks about this.

I am not against comments, au contraire.. I welcome them...

The only thing I am suggesting here is that I wish that entrants were able to (if they so chose) let voters know that they really wanted-needed comments, or opposite.