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05/16/2005 01:53:11 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by Alienyst:
Another question for the masses, does the name someone gives a picture ever influence how you score a picture? Or in how you interpret a picture? |
No - the title is not taken into account when I vote. What I dislike(but it does not affect my voting) is looooooonnnnnggggg titles that make up sentences.
Mike
Message edited by author 2005-05-16 13:53:50.
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05/16/2005 02:26:28 PM · #27 |
Like the paper used in a print, the matting and frame to hold it and the wall to hang it on -- the title is a part of the over all presentation of the image. If it does not come from the initial visualization of the image, the presentation will suffer.
For me, denying the title it's due reflects a lack of pre-visualization.
David
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05/16/2005 02:51:27 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by Britannica:
Like the paper used in a print, the matting and frame to hold it and the wall to hang it on -- the title is a part of the over all presentation of the image. If it does not come from the initial visualization of the image, the presentation will suffer.
For me, denying the title it's due reflects a lack of pre-visualization.
David |
I agree. Title is very important - even if it is a result of post-visualization. There have been many threads on the title issue, I tried to find some BUT THAT #$%@! SEARCH DOESN'T WORK FOR CRAP. ...ahhh, sorry, just had to get that out. ;-) I am sure Langdon is hard at work fixing that...
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05/16/2005 02:58:54 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by rgo:
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
Originally posted by saracat:
...or calling the Mona Lisa 'Sally'.... |
That's name of a person, what does it tell you about the piece of art? |
The Mona Lisa, translating into "Madam Lisa," name, if memory serves, actually came not from Leonardo da Vinci, but rather attributed to the painting by Giorgio Vasari, who included Leonardo in his biography of artists long after Leonardo's death. |
You are referring to La Gioconda here, right?
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05/16/2005 02:59:12 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by kpriest:
Originally posted by Britannica:
Like the paper used in a print, the matting and frame to hold it and the wall to hang it on -- the title is a part of the over all presentation of the image. If it does not come from the initial visualization of the image, the presentation will suffer.
For me, denying the title it's due reflects a lack of pre-visualization.
David |
I agree. Title is very important - even if it is a result of post-visualization. There have been many threads on the title issue, I tried to find some BUT THAT #$%@! SEARCH DOESN'T WORK FOR CRAP. ...ahhh, sorry, just had to get that out. ;-) I am sure Langdon is hard at work fixing that... |
"score triangle" has some on it.
Message edited by author 2005-05-16 14:59:39. |
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05/16/2005 03:02:46 PM · #31 |
| The Mona Lisa, and many of the great masters works, would still be great works without titles at all. It wasn't the title that made them famous in most cases, but the work itself. If the Mona Lisa was name 192-04281 the image of this beautiful woman would still be admired by the masses. |
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05/16/2005 03:25:08 PM · #32 |
| I look at the title only for my own amusement. I don't consider it in scoring the picture or determining if the picture met the challenge. |
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05/16/2005 05:45:29 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by sofapez:
The Mona Lisa, and many of the great masters works, would still be great works without titles at all. It wasn't the title that made them famous in most cases, but the work itself. If the Mona Lisa was name 192-04281 the image of this beautiful woman would still be admired by the masses. |
I disagree.
There's an old joke about prisoners telling jokes. They knew them all by heart and had given each joke a number. So a new prisoner was puzzeled when someone called out "32." And everyone laughed. Someone else called out "14." And everyone laughed. The newby called out "7" and nobody laughed. A fellow inmate chastized him not to tell jokes anymore, cause he just didn't have the talent for telling them right.
(Here's where I bring it back to the thread.) A great work of art that has a memorable title will be even greater because the title comes to symbolize the emotional payload of the art. You can talk about the art, and still get some of the emotional payload. It's impossible to use the phrase Mona Lisa without getting some of the impact of the painting.
192-04281 fails because it's unlikely to associate itself with the emotional payload. So yes titles matter ... because they extend the photo's context and relevance. And they give us a language to talk about them which is rich in emotion.
With that said, a bad title can break a good photo. And a good title will never rescue a bad photo. Take a small, dark and poorly exposed photo of an ugly teenager in a boring setting and call it Mona Lisa. The title won't rescue it, for sure.
Sorry for the long post. Do you get what I'm getting at? |
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05/16/2005 06:32:58 PM · #34 |
hehe yea Gigital Quixote i get what you saying.. and the prisoner joke wasn't bad either :) got a chuckle out of me.
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05/16/2005 06:34:55 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by Digital Quixote:
Sorry for the long post. Do you get what I'm getting at? |
I do, DQ, and I agree with you!
curse that limerick thread that got rhyming stuck in my head
...Doh!
So, sofapez - does it not bug you when you see "Tree, shot from high angle with 2 light sources and only cropped, no other editing" as a title?
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05/16/2005 06:51:52 PM · #36 |
I would not take away merit for an uncreative title, but titling is an extension of any production process and can enhance an already sublime effort. I equate the creative process in any artform to birthing a child. It is an already distant parent who gives little regard to the naming of their offspring.
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05/16/2005 07:51:43 PM · #37 |
Effective titles work in two ways: They impart a sense of humor to the photo (which I could easily miss) or they decidedly give an interior look at the photographer's mood.
Ineffective titles hurt the image in two ways: They are intolerably long (bad choice unless fits criteria above) or insignificant to the purpose of conveying emotion and meaning.
But, I like titles as an extension, not a direction.
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05/16/2005 08:00:14 PM · #38 |
| i sometimes vote higher on an image if it has a creative and/or funny tittle |
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05/16/2005 08:15:38 PM · #39 |
I think titles are like borders. Rarely will someone add to your score because they like it, but quite a number will subtract if they find it distracting or unattractive.
Personally unless the title is offensive, I consider it to be worth about 0.10 of a point. I think it's fair to say that I wouldn't judge a book by it's cover, nor a photograph by it's title. |
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05/17/2005 09:50:44 AM · #40 |
| I use the name of the photo to get an idea what the photographer is seeing. |
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05/17/2005 10:04:00 AM · #41 |
A title does matter to me and I try and put a little thought into mine. Untitled, which some people tend to use, even by mistake, are not really finishing off their work, which is a shame. Some titles do "explain" the picture to some degree. Others are very descriptive and funny.
Message edited by ClubJuggle - Removed reference to specific challenge entry. |
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05/17/2005 10:12:04 AM · #42 |
The title is an integral part of the image. If you approach photography simply as a craft then there is no need for a title. If you approach it as art then the title is part of the work.
You do not need a title to decypher how the image will move you. Nor do you need it to vote. However, considering the title along with the image will help you see the creator's suggestion into his work. |
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05/17/2005 11:49:41 PM · #43 |
Hey everyone... just a quick reminder not to discuss specific challenge entries while they are up for voting... thanks!
-Terry
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05/18/2005 12:01:20 AM · #44 |
| i put a lot of thought into the titles of my photos. i would hate to think that the voters don't pay any attention to them. |
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