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 05/14/2005 12:25:02 AM · #1
I got 20 comments on this photo, all positive.

This was entered in the 5 speed challenge. For the record, there are 5 (count 'em, five) major trees in the forground.

I don't think this is a bad photo. So just to confirm my intuition, please tell me whether the reference to 5 was so subtle that you all voted it down ... or please tell me the truth about how you feel about the photo.
 05/14/2005 12:28:02 AM · #2
I see 4..and if it took that long for me to find the 5th then I voted it down..sorry.
 05/14/2005 12:30:34 AM · #3
Very subtle ... I certainly didn't catch it when I was voting. Sorry.
 05/14/2005 12:32:47 AM · #4
You got slammed because few folks miss counted your trees and thought it didn't fit the challenge. I got slammed because they thought I just had a sunrise and had to title it to meet the challenge. We should just :) and continue on. I liked your shot and gave it one of my highest scores for the challenge. Van
 05/14/2005 12:34:25 AM · #5
I tried with this photo for a loooooooong time.
I saw the 4 trees and felt sure that the dark, set-back tree surely isn't considered #5.
So I tried windows, doors, rocks, etc etc etc.
I could not find a real FIVE anywhere.

So I still agree with the majority of comments. Lovely photo, but the connection to the 5 just isn't really there at all.
 05/14/2005 12:36:11 AM · #6
I think, the trees were too subtle, not too subtle to be a good photo, but subtle to get noticed in the judging of this challenge. I think of it this way if you cant see it right away in plain site it wont do so well on DPC, because rating 150-400 photos is time consuming only the obvious one get rated well. This is just my theory. Now the majority gave your photo a 5 but not the average. I do think its a good photo, however five does not seem to be the obvious theme. Hope I was helpful.

Ty
 05/14/2005 12:36:30 AM · #7
I can't say that I saw 5 (major) trees in the foreground during the challenge, nor do I see them now. Does this deserve a ranking of 178?? perhaps not. The fact does remain that your 5 elements were indeed quite difficult to find, hence the score you got is reflective of what the majority thought of your submission.

Ray
 05/14/2005 12:38:05 AM · #8
I think the photo is great, but the challenge was just not in your face enough. I looked at this one for ages trying to figure it out. I think a photo needs to have a obvious relevance to the challenge topic as people will not spend a lot of time looking.
As far as your photographic ability, do not worry, I wish I could get shots like yours.
You know where to find a good shot for an open challenge in the future.
 05/14/2005 12:41:08 AM · #9
nothing here to "wow" about, soooo, 178 +/- 2

actually there is not much diference when you place in the bottom 25%

Message edited by author 2005-05-14 00:48:33.
 05/14/2005 12:43:31 AM · #10
I saw the five trees and liked this picture quite a bit. But I think that in order to do well in the voting, the challenge subject has to be the obvious subject of the photo. That's just the reason why this photo didn't do very well in this particular challenge, but it doesn't at all mean that it's a bad photo.
 05/14/2005 12:45:54 AM · #11
I didn't get to vote in this challenge but it is a nice shot...I probably would have picked up on the 5 trees sooner or later...however for me it looks a bit over neat imaged (Noise reduction) making it too smooth for me. Still a nice shot.

Andy
 05/14/2005 12:52:31 AM · #12
I think it's a great photo... just wrong challenge. Since the 5 trees weren't very obvious (had to search around to figure out what there was five of), I think that's why it didn't score too well. Overall, it's a very nice shot.
 05/14/2005 01:07:40 AM · #13
i've seen some pictures be made and ruined by their names

take this picture for example, if he hadn't told how he made the eggs like that he probably wouldn't have scored 61 out of 227 (not that low, but still should have been higher, IMO)

you should have named it something more obvious like "5 trees on...whatever" or something

great pic though
 05/14/2005 01:28:42 AM · #14
Originally posted by Digital Quixote:
I got 20 comments on this photo, all positive.

I'm one of those who commented - I gave it a 7. I didnt find the relation to the topic, but didnt bother trying to find out, just deducted one point over what I'd have given otherwise.

Not sure why you think all comments were positive - a large majority are saying 'nice, but where's the 5', which means - they're voting it down. (Notice that avg. commenters is 4.00, only slightly above the overall)

05/14/2005 01:31:49 AM · #15
Originally posted by vtruan:
I got slammed because they thought I just had a sunrise and had to title it to meet the challenge.
Well, you really didnt have anything close to meeting the challenge. Digital Quixote's was doubtful, but imho, yours was clearly not meeting it.

05/14/2005 01:37:25 AM · #16
I guess this sum's it up for me. When I seen your thread and opened it I did not [on purpose] look to see what challenge it was from when I clicked on your thumbnail to see the larger view. I saw a good photograph but I looked at it for a minute or so and still could not tell which challenge it was from.
05/14/2005 01:59:37 AM · #17
The main subject in the photo is the house, it's difficult to look away from it and try to count any of the surrounding items. Would have fitted better into the Dream challenge as a "dream-house" nothing wrong with the photo....
 05/14/2005 03:13:20 AM · #18
Originally posted by ndistress:
you should have named it something more obvious like "5 trees on...whatever" or something

I can't speak for all voters but personally, if the picture doesn't convey the challenge by itself and leans on the title to explain it to me (like the sunset mentioned earlier), then it suffers in my voting.

I did (eventually) count the trees in the OP photo and saw the link; but it was oversubtle for me; it wasn't a picture representing "5" - it was a nice picture of a house that happened to have 5 trees in it.

Still, seems like justice to me after you said the DOF in my entry "made your teeth hurt" :-)
 05/14/2005 05:37:00 AM · #19
If it were 5 trees on a hill with sky as the backgound then it would've been ok. With the house I didn't even notice the trees.
 05/14/2005 05:48:06 AM · #20
Originally posted by Digital Quixote:
I got 20 comments on this photo, all positive.

This was entered in the 5 speed challenge. For the record, there are 5 (count 'em, five) major trees in the forground.

I don't think this is a bad photo. So just to confirm my intuition, please tell me whether the reference to 5 was so subtle that you all voted it down ... or please tell me the truth about how you feel about the photo.


I think that if you're being honest with yourself, you would admit that this photo was not taken with the challenge in mind.

It's a beautiful photograph, but I think you picked a photo that you already had because you didn't go out to look for something. And because you justified its relevance so thoroughly in your head, you started to recognize the trees as prominent subjects, when they aren't.
 05/14/2005 05:53:53 AM · #21
I'm not too happy about my placing either (164/180), but in the end I am happy with the picture that I took. I understand that not everyone is going to have the same connection to the shot and may not take the time to really look at what I've submitted. Look on the bright side, you did get 20 positive comments!
 05/14/2005 06:23:29 AM · #22
I received only 5 comments. Scored 157/180. One was not positive because they did not realize I had 5 chairs in the photo. I thought the photo was fairly good yet I scored so low I am not sure why? Commentators scored it a 5.8 yet my average was below 4.6. Oh well, move on.
 05/14/2005 07:01:44 AM · #23
Why on earth would this surprise you? I agree that it´s not a bad shot at all, but you really really REALLY have to search for that 5th tree and while I didn´t vote I would have probably given it a 2-3 because I too would have percieved it to be off topic (I have stopped voting on challenges I take part in). You have to think that the viewer normally does make up his mind in the score in the first second so there you go.

Message edited by author 2005-05-14 07:02:55.
 05/14/2005 08:02:54 AM · #24
Originally posted by larus:
You have to think that the viewer normally does make up his mind in the score in the first second so there you go.


I think this is the key to high scores on DPC. You have one second to grab the average voter's attention. Vibrant colors, simple in-your-face subjects, clarity, and sharp focus will do that. Soft focus, muted colors, complex compositions rarely do that. If the latter pleases you and you get good comments to work with - continue what you're doing and forget about scores. If you want high scores, adapt to the voters for challenges.

And yes, there are always exceptions...

d
 05/14/2005 08:38:51 AM · #25
I did not vote on this picture due to my feeling it did not meet the challenge. I guess I'll have to look harder next time!

I had the honour of 172nd and feel disappointed with my result too. Having looked at what is above 172nd, the effort was definitely not worth the result. Granted, it is a poor picture regarding lighting and focus, but so are a lot of others, imo.

Hey ho, we'll thrash them next time, eh, Dahkota?
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