To whoever is in charge of validating my Picture

Canon RF 24-70mm f/2.8 L IS

05/13/2005 12:20:48 PM · #1

I sent the NEF (RAW) file for validation and was told that modification were done... Yes some editing was allready done in Picture Project before I opened the file in PhotoShop (and later saved as a JPEG). I went back to picture project to restored it to it's original Non-edited aspect. I did'nt bother to make a copy of the original since in RAW, the file always keeps the original data. What more proofs do you need?

Anyways I'm re-sending the NEF file.

kirbic

Canon EOS R5

05/13/2005 12:25:34 PM · #2

If we can't validate that the proof file submitted is actually an out-of-camera original, there is no way to tell if editing has been done to it, and we must disqualify. We'll review the latest submitted NEF.

05/13/2005 12:27:26 PM · #3

It's a NEF (RAW) file. All ORIGINAL info is there.

Canon RF 24-70mm f/2.8 L IS

05/13/2005 12:28:50 PM · #4

I'll send the slightly overexposed shot taken just before if necessary, I didn't touch that one.

kirbic

Canon EOS R5

05/13/2005 12:31:16 PM · #5

Originally posted by grandmarginal:

It's a NEF (RAW) file. All ORIGINAL info is there.

I just looked at the NEF file, and I cannot open it at all in Photoshop CS nor open it properly in other software I have. The EXIF is there, but has been modified.

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

05/13/2005 12:32:24 PM · #6

Is this a joke?

Neil

Fujifilm X-T30

05/13/2005 12:32:40 PM · #7

Sorry for jumping in on the thread, but I'm curious. I didn't think any applications would edit and resave a RAW file (as RAW). Isn't that true?

scalvert

Canon EOS-5D Mark III

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

05/13/2005 12:34:03 PM · #8

It has to be the exact same shot, otherwise you're out of luck. If you went back and saved the RAW file in Picture Project (even if nothing was done), then the embedded data will show that it was modified by Picture Project, and it will no longer be considered the original file.

Sigma 18-125mm f/3.5-5.6 DC for Canon

05/13/2005 12:34:49 PM · #9

Originally posted by nshapiro:

Sorry for jumping in on the thread, but I'm curious. I didn't think any applications would edit and resave a RAW file (as RAW). Isn't that true?

You can edit it, but the original is always saved within the file.

Kavey

Canon EOS-400D Rebel XTi

05/13/2005 12:35:00 PM · #10

It's my (possibly incorrect) understanding that RAW files can hold BOTH the original AS SHOT settings PLUS the settings saved in the raw convertor application.

Certainly Camera RAW allows you to choose settings that are then saved as tags with the RAW but at any time you can revert to the original settings which are also still in the RAW.

Camera Raw puts the settings into a sidecar file but I don't know how other convertors handle this.

05/13/2005 12:41:00 PM · #11

Originally posted by grandmarginal:

Carrieanne, you know how much I loved your picture... I kinda wish my picture gets DQed to let you in.

Anyways, keep up the great work, I really enjoy your work (so does a lot of other voters too!)

-Simon

It looks like my wish is coming true...

05/13/2005 12:46:22 PM · #12

Here's another edit that I did of it, uploaded the same day it was shot (I kept it hidden after a couple of hours). You can see everything is there. The site council might not care for anything else but the out-of-camera file but at least people can see I'm no cheater. I didn't add or remove anything that wasn't in the original file (beside the cropping).

Message edited by author 2005-05-13 12:48:46.

rex

Canon PowerShot SD780

05/13/2005 12:48:13 PM · #13

I don't think you're a cheather just a victim of bad luck. I loved the photo.

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

05/13/2005 12:49:38 PM · #14

Originally posted by rex:

I don't think you're a cheather just a victim of bad luck. I loved the photo.

I don't think it's bad luck. I do have the NEF file with the original data.

notonline

Canon EOS-350D Rebel XT

05/13/2005 12:50:28 PM · #15

I know this will be hard to swallow especially coming from me but it appears from where I sit that you have very little hope to convince SC. I liked the photo and don't believe you cheated but read SC has a way of jamming things where they don't belong and this is where I see this thread going. Good luck in your quest grand and I hope things turn out for you.

theSaj

Canon EOS-20D

Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM

05/13/2005 12:50:44 PM · #16

What was in the original foto that got the DQ request?

rex

Canon PowerShot SD780

05/13/2005 12:52:38 PM · #17

Originally posted by theSaj:

What was in the original foto that got the DQ request?

I assumed second place on moods. It is still there as of now.

Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di for Canon

05/13/2005 12:53:45 PM · #18

Originally posted by theSaj:

What was in the original foto that got the DQ request?

It didn't get a request, all ribbon are asked to be validated.

Canon EOS-20D

05/13/2005 12:58:29 PM · #19

Originally posted by notonline:

I liked the photo and don't believe you cheated but read SC has a way of jamming things where they don't belong and this is where I see this thread going.

We like to consider "jamming things where they don't belong" being fair across the board. We've had several instances where members have provided outside proof to demonstrate that their shot was legal but the bottom line is that we ask for the same thing from every person - unaltered, original EXIF information in the photo that was submitted. That way, it doesn't become a contest for who can argue the best (ask lawyer Mavrik) or who can send us the most material to sift through. It's just a cut and dry rule that we use to make things fair.

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

05/13/2005 12:58:35 PM · #20

Besides, all editing tools in Picture Project are legal editing tools. Brightness, sharp, color booster... There's no clone tools, or even brush tool.

notonline

Canon EOS-350D Rebel XT

05/13/2005 01:04:01 PM · #21

Originally posted by mk:

Originally posted by notonline:
I liked the photo and don't believe you cheated but read SC has a way of jamming things where they don't belong and this is where I see this thread going.

We like to consider "jamming things where they don't belong" being fair across the board. We've had several instances where members have provided outside proof to demonstrate that their shot was legal but the bottom line is that we ask for the same thing from every person - unaltered, original EXIF information in the photo that was submitted. That way, it doesn't become a contest for who can argue the best (ask lawyer Mavrik) or who can send us the most material to sift through. It's just a cut and dry rule that we use to make things fair.

I'm not saying it isn't fair. I am just stating my opinion about SC. Read the last line of my tag and maybe you will get a better understanding of why I include ALL SC in my words instead of just picking on the one who pissed me off. Treat everybody the same. ;)

Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM

05/13/2005 01:04:51 PM · #22

Anyways, que sera sera... I've submitted my proof, I converted it back to it's original aspect (that's funny, I can do that in Picture project because the NEF file has my original)

theSaj

Canon EOS-20D

05/13/2005 01:09:17 PM · #23

The issue is they have no way to verify that is what you used to edit it.

(Out of habit, I try to always "copy" any images to a "working folder" and make edits there and NEVER open my originals in an editor)

Grandmarginal, I hope you can find some way to prove it was an original. If not, let me encourage you with this fact. DQ or not. Your photo ranked 2nd place. If you are DQ'd on a technicality. It takes nothing from your shot. Perhaps a bit from one's pride in not being able to show it.

So do this. Take a screen shot of the challenge winners and your photo's scores (I did this for you in case they're gone). And realize that you did it!

If you know it's true, and most of us believe you. And it's a simple technicality. Don't forget that YOU got a WINNING photo!!!! Even if you don't get the ribbon. It was well ranked!

Just wanted to encourage you NOT to forget that...