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 05/13/2005 10:01:07 AM · #26
Originally posted by moodville:
It sounds like the 'real' photographer is the guy the next day and he's probably getting paid too. Sounds like they couldnt afford both days and so is wanting a freebie with the hopes that the 'real' photographer can 'save' some of the shots in processing. I wonder if they're paying him extra to process the images? It could very well mean that your images are included in the package that the photographer offers them and so could be all considered his work. I'd highly suggest you create a contract for them to sign so you retain the copyright and that the other photographer cannot charge them a fee to print your images.

I understand about doing something for free for your own experience etc but you shouldnt let people take advantage of you.


Very interesting point.
 05/13/2005 10:06:26 AM · #27
Originally posted by BobsterLobster:
I understand about doing something for free for your own experience etc but you shouldnt let people take advantage of you.


As long as you treat it as experience and the couple know that it is a "no strings" affair - take advantage of them: you will obtain a wedding portfolio and experience at little or no risk. If they don't like, your daughter loses a friend... well, she must have plenty!

Message edited by author 2005-05-13 10:06:43.
 05/13/2005 10:09:08 AM · #28
Since you are giving your time and photos for free, get them to sign a model release so you can take advantage of the best photos also. This is the agreement I had with montereykiddo for my son's wedding, so my son (and new daughter) get to use the pictures for themselves and montereykiddo gets to use them for his portfolio.

(edit: add) And Chris got the experience with no strings or expectations attached.

Message edited by author 2005-05-13 10:09:55.
 05/13/2005 10:16:33 AM · #29
PS I shot a non-traditional wedding. My fiancee and I were the only guests at some old friends' wedding: they pretty much eloped after many years of waiting. We were a combination of stag and hen party attendees, wedding guests, best man & bridesmaid, witnesses, and I was the official photographer. For the ceremony itself, I was using my Canon 50e (my film body) and the Infra red remote controller to take self portraits of the ceremony grouping on a 2 second delay...! The photos were technically sound, but far from perfect in my eyes then and even more so now. Although I would do better now, they were alright, captured the day, and there were a few worth blowing up. The album looked good. The couple (to my face, at least), were always overjoyed at the photos.

The couple split up less than 3 months later. But the photos had nothing to do with that (or so they tell me...)

edit: spelling mostly

Message edited by author 2005-05-13 10:19:14.
 05/13/2005 10:20:55 AM · #30
[quote=legalbeagle] The couple split up less than 3 months later. But the photos had nothing to do with that (or so they tell me...)

lol..thats a big advance nowadays..when the shooting turned out not so satisfying u can always tell them u will do better at their next wedding

Message edited by author 2005-05-13 10:25:10.
 05/13/2005 10:35:42 AM · #31
It seems to me that if the CD they request is to be given to the "other" photographer, who will be shooting the "actual" wedding at a town some distance away, they are unwilling to pay the cost involved in importing this photographer for the festivities today. It seems to tme that their idea of a compromise is to provide him with your images to integrate into the package. it seems to me he is certainly going to CHARGE them on a per-print basis for printing and delivering these images as part of his package.

It seems to me this is ridiculous.

It seems to me the only reason you should be doing this is to maintain peace with your daughter, and that you should insist your name be left OUT of any mention of this thing in the future, that you should not worry about getting "credit" for the pictures, that you should not worry about the quality issues of having the other dude do your PP work, and that you should get drunk after the ceremony and forget it ever happened.

Robt.

05/13/2005 10:45:27 AM · #32
Holy #$%&... Your first wedding and this happens? Well good luck to you, I don´t envy you the least but don´t panic, doesn´t help anyone really and especially not you.

I don´t know how you are set with memory cards but I would advise you to just take as many pictures as you possibly can, if you have two or more cards bring along the laptop so that you can empty one card and shoot with the other. Try to take as many pictures as you can with .raw in case you screw up the exposure and WB, at least take the most important shots in .raw if you can.

Also regarding that you will give them the photos the same night on a CD I would just flat out refuse since you never ever went over these details with them. Post processing is neccesary as we all know and just explain that to them that it´s just not going to happen and that they will have to wait. If they still want pictures right away don´t give them to them in full resolution, at most in 600x400 and tell them that it´s the best you can do for now and they will have to give you time to produce the final images. I personally don´t know how things work in the wedding photography world but I just find it rediculous that you should even be asked to produce a CD just right away. Anyway, I would NEVER trust anyone to do post processing for me so maybe this is just my way of thinking and if you dissagree I respect taht. Just one other thing, I am married and I can tell you that the last thing on my mind when I left the wedding party was to go home and look at some pictures :o)

It seems however if I understand you correctly that your daughter is somewhat to blame, is there any way she could help you out? For example she could be responsible for copying from your cards to a laptop, if you are going that way?

Anyway, I have seen some of your work here and I am confident you can pull this off, just don´t panic all right? Also one other thing, don´t try to pose the couple too much, if they are not experienced models chances are that they will just stand awkwardly so the pictures will come out wrong. Just do minor things like tell him to hold his arms around her, stand behind her, look at each other or stuff like that but don´t get very specific.

Good luck!

Edit: I just read the time of your original post and I see that it´s almost 9 hours since you first posted so that must mean that you are on your way to the wedding and can´t read any advice I have given. Well best of luck and hope to get the rest of this story from you when you return, just know that there are people here on DPC that are thinking positive thoughts for you right now.

Message edited by author 2005-05-13 11:41:03.
 05/13/2005 10:54:02 AM · #33
Make sure you get back with us on how this wedding turns out. I am looking forward to the end of this story.

05/13/2005 01:34:49 PM · #34
Originally posted by larus:


I just find it rediculous that you should even be asked to produce a CD just right away.



I have heard of suggestions from some people that a slideshow running on a laptop at the evening affair is a good thing to do and as a side note, I'd like to say that, at my wedding some 14 years ago, the photographer turned up in the evening with a fully-stocked photo album of the day's shots. I was most impressed.
 05/13/2005 01:49:57 PM · #35
Obviously these people dont know much about photography... I would educate them on the need to process the images to get the best out of the shots to provide them with quality images.... THIS TAKES TIME... offer to mail the cd to the other photographer.... Im sure he is not going to provide the prints at the end of the event! *wink*
 05/13/2005 02:48:39 PM · #36


Originally posted by bcoble:
Make sure you get back with us on how this wedding turns out. I am looking forward to the end of this story.


Yeah, ditto. This sounds like a scary scenario, but it doesn't have to be. Try and get them to compromise :)

I don't think another photographer should be editing your shots. And I think you should ultimately have the final yay/nay on shots you give to the happy couple.

The whole thing just sounds weird. Since you ain't gettin' paid, just do it your own way. What can they say? I mean, really??

Good luck!!
 05/13/2005 02:57:22 PM · #37
Originally posted by colda:


Thanks, bit of arse that I'm a pagan ;)


No worry, God made and loves pagans too... ;)

Oh question for you...

"Was this a Turkish wedding? Or a Turkey wedding?"
(just a little humor for ya...here's to hoping it all works out. I agree with others. Leave the laptop at home. They don't need to know that a CD can be given. And it is your "professional" right to review your work before delivery.)
 05/13/2005 04:21:57 PM · #38
If i were you, I would re-negotiate the entire thing with these people. How much are they paying you? Do you have a contract? Have you actually spoken to these people ever? They expect you to provide a CD with all the un-edited images at the end of the night?

It seems to me that they are just trying to get some free photos out of the whole deal.

Give me a break. I would go and meet with her and tell her like it is. Or better yet, call her and let her know that you have other obligations to fulfill, and since you need to re-schedual, your gonna have to charge her a whole lot. I can't imaging what this couple was thinking in expecting you to show up and do this pre-wedding party for free, and give them the images on location! And without even meeting you? They must be crazy.

I would charge her $1000 right now, tell her that your time starts at 6pm, and ends at 10pm, the images will be delivered within 30 days, edited, and on a CD. If she want's prints made, tell her it will cost an extra $300 for 1 each 4x6 in a proof book. If she want's you at the wedding to take photos, that will be an extra charge.

If she doesn't like it, tell her to go and find someone else to do this last minute. Also tell her that she probably should have made some sort of effort to actually meet with you, instead of just counting on some free photos from basically a stranger.


05/13/2005 05:10:35 PM · #39
Tell her you need X amount to cover your expenses. Memory cards, CD's, gas , etc. When she fails to come through with the cash, just enjoy your weekend away from her and her poor planning.
 05/13/2005 05:39:28 PM · #40
Just got back in, it went well :)

I bought an extra 512mb card, total of 3 and filled them all shooting in JPG fine. I've told them that the CD will be available after the weekend.

It turns out that the reason for the rushed CD was not to give to another photographer but rather to take with them to Turkey (honeymoon) where they would get them printed, so I'm much happier now.

I'm just about to start uploading and sorting - photos to follow :)

Thanks again everyone for your input, you really helped! You turned my dread into excitement and gave me what I needed to have a great shoot :)

Indebted,

Darren
 05/13/2005 07:36:42 PM · #41
Really glad it went well, and that you had a good time.
Show us some results when you have time!
 05/13/2005 07:59:11 PM · #42
So glad it went well and you had a good time. Can't wait to see the pics.

Teresa
 05/14/2005 04:49:20 AM · #43
Still sorting but here's one that I like :)


05/14/2005 04:57:48 AM · #44
Nice happy picture, Colda. Glad the wedding went well.
 05/14/2005 07:21:37 AM · #45
Adorable photo! Good color and wonderul expression on both of their faces.

The bride's purse looks odd on his shoulder, maybe you can remove it in post?
05/16/2005 12:18:22 PM · #46
Okies,

I've done most of the processing now and here are some of the ones I like :)






More pics can be found in my portfolio.

Thanks again :)

Darren
 05/16/2005 12:26:19 PM · #47
Not sure when they're leaving, but if they've already left for Turkey. You might be able to post some of the better ones to the web for their viewing pleasure. And they could download & print them in Turkey.

;)
 05/16/2005 12:36:24 PM · #48
Wow you got lucky, most weddings in Turkey are spent in closed places, with little to no light. And my family's weddings are usually spent with a sad or bored expression on everyone's faces. But hey, that could just be my family :P
 05/17/2005 02:51:57 AM · #49
Originally posted by theSaj:
Not sure when they're leaving, but if they've already left for Turkey. You might be able to post some of the better ones to the web for their viewing pleasure. And they could download & print them in Turkey.

;)


No problem, Jason - I dropped off the CD's last night (sorted and mostly processed) :)
 05/17/2005 05:55:28 AM · #50
Originally posted by Ennil:
Wow you got lucky, most weddings in Turkey are spent in closed places, with little to no light. And my family's weddings are usually spent with a sad or bored expression on everyone's faces. But hey, that could just be my family :P


I was lucky, we had a break in the weather so the outdoor shots worked well (although I wish I used a fill flash in some cases). For the indoor shots it was a little more difficult, the ceiling was a little high which made bouncing the flash a challenge.

Everyone was smiling though, to the point that it could be difficult to get candids at times as everyone would turn, smile and pose when I was in sight :)
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