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05/11/2005 03:46:03 PM · #51 |
just bee-ing earnest here, the puns are getting out of control...
I think a lot of people on this thread are just talking a lot of hive |
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05/11/2005 03:49:48 PM · #52 |
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05/11/2005 03:49:55 PM · #53 |
Originally posted by sfalice:
I would add that it just isn't fair play to kill off the model for a photograph.
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Originally posted by karmat:
Quick question -- what is the best way to make a bug "go to sleep" without killing it?
...it just doesn't seem nice to kill him just for a picture. |
We're trying to keep from killing the bee, otay?
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05/11/2005 03:52:10 PM · #54 |
| Where do bees go when they die anyhow?? |
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05/11/2005 03:52:45 PM · #55 |
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05/11/2005 03:53:42 PM · #56 |
Originally posted by Ivo:
Where do bees go when they die anyhow?? |
A heavenly hive, of course.
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05/11/2005 03:56:23 PM · #57 |
| I thought they go to shutterstock. Oh well....what do I know. |
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05/11/2005 04:06:12 PM · #58 |
I DO NOT know if this works and I certinally do not think you should kill anything for an image but years ago I saw my dad spray bee's with ether and it stunned (maybe killed) them and then he would take down their nest and destroy it. I used to cry because I thought he was killing God's little creatures, but my dad pointed out that some of them started flying around again. So... some of them lived that were not drowned in the ether, but it did stun them long enough for him to destroy the nest.. just a thought.
found this on a website:
"One of the best attributes of nature is its ability to reproduce those resources if we accept the responsibility to maintain the natural order of things and use the resources wisely. Bugs are an important part of this natural order, so it is our responsibility to minimize any potential harm that might come as a result of our activities with them.
I am often asked if I ever use any common âcalmingâ techniques to make bugs cooperate; such techniques include capturing bugs and refrigerating them to the point that they move slowly, if at all. My answer is an unequivocal âNoâ for two reasons. First, doing such a thing is ethically wrong because itâs for a selfish reason. Second, I like the purity of a âclean shotâ that is not artificially enhancedâ¦thereâs something about the thrill of the hunt that makes a great shot even more valuable. Cheating in photography is like cheating on a test: you may get what you want, but itâs really not worth much if you had to cheat to get it. Donât compromise your photographic integrity by taking shortcuts that help no one.
Finally, consider the future impact of that single bug that you might kill to get a shot. Donât you want that bug to find a mate and make more little bugs for you to shoot? Weâre not talking about âthe goose that lays golden eggsâ in such a case, but you know how that story endedâ¦
Then thereâs the issue of âbaitingâ, a method used to attract bugs and keep their attention long enough to shoot them. Although I do not have any moral or ethical problem with doing this, to me itâs just not sporting, so I do not do it."
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05/11/2005 04:13:25 PM · #59 |
Wow. Didn't know we were going to get all ethical and stuff in here.
I just wanted to take a picture of a bee without it coming after me. He is huge.
As far as taking his picture in the wild. That is where he will be, when I finish.
He's big. He could do some major damage to me I think. I may let him drive home from work, if he wants.
What do bumblebees eat? I may give him a name and let him be our family pet.
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05/11/2005 04:13:59 PM · #60 |
I have four letters for this
R A I D
LOL
Message edited by author 2005-05-11 16:14:58. |
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05/11/2005 04:15:14 PM · #61 |
| no they go to hiven instead of heaven....but bad bees go to hill instead |
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05/11/2005 04:38:23 PM · #62 |
I believe a bee loses it's little bee-hind (sorry, couldn't help myself here) along with a few choice inner bits when it stings you.
So, unlike a wasp which can sting many times, a bee can only do that once and is therefore rather "stingy" with its sting (he he he, got another one in).
Just recently I stood surrounded by tall rhododendrons FULL of bees who couldn't care less about me or my camera, no matter how much I growled at them to hold still for a sec.
Be brave, Karmat, and chase them around outside where they belong. |
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05/12/2005 10:43:43 AM · #63 |
Originally posted by Beetle:
I believe a bee loses it's little bee-hind (sorry, couldn't help myself here) along with a few choice inner bits when it stings you.
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That would be the honey bee. A bumble bee can sting at will. (and hurts alot more then a honey bee or a wasp) |
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05/12/2005 10:49:11 AM · #64 |
and not even all honey bees lose their stinger...
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05/12/2005 10:52:56 AM · #65 |
Originally posted by nsbca7:
That would be the honey bee. A bumble bee can sting at will. (and hurts alot more then a honey bee or a wasp) |
oh.... OH!! Now I'll have to be extra brave to get close to them :-( |
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05/12/2005 11:16:33 AM · #66 |
I was once trying to get into a bumble bee nest inside some loose insulation inside the back of an old panel truck to see what the eggs looked like. They came after me and of course I ran. One chased me over 150 yards and went over and stung my dog as I went past. I waited a few minutes for them to calm down and before I even went back towards them one found me and stung me in the stomach. They seem a lot more inteligent and persistant then most bees.
I was pretty persitant too and finally did get to see the eggs without getting stung again.
On the ethics question, I see no problem with the chilling suggestion. It doesn't hurt the animal.
Most of the more popular wildlife shows on tv chill snakes before the hosts of the shows handle the deadly vipers. I do see that as being a bit un-ethical, because they represent themselves as being brave men in the un-tamed wild when in all actuality they are mere actors handling sedated animals. |
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05/12/2005 11:21:07 AM · #67 |
I've heard you can also use alcohol...
(actually it was a suggestion for euthanising a fish more painlessly. Put them in water with alcohol and then freeze them) |
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05/12/2005 11:30:46 AM · #68 |
Zoom may work, but only if the insect you are working with is relatively large and not shy. On an LA DPC outing, a lot of us were circling a very LARGE bee trying to get some shots.. I entered mine (complete with a big stretch, I suppose) into the the Best Friends challenge. If you're curious, you can check out my portfolio - I didn't want to derail the thread with a thumbnail.
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05/12/2005 11:32:36 AM · #69 |
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05/15/2005 06:08:57 PM · #70 |
I work at a lab where they do resaerch with fruit flys and to knock them out without killing them they use C02 (carbon dioxide gas) its cheap and safe. Hope that helps.
Ty
Message edited by author 2005-05-15 18:09:33. |
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05/15/2005 06:31:31 PM · #71 |
Originally posted by ty_roni:
I work at a lab where they do resaerch with fruit flys and to knock them out without killing them they use C02 (carbon dioxide gas) its cheap and safe. Hope that helps.
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A relatively safe way to get CO2 is with dry ice; you don't have to worry about pressurized containers that way. |
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05/15/2005 06:32:52 PM · #72 |
Or double up a CO2 cannister sensor cleaning spray.
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05/15/2005 06:40:27 PM · #73 |
Originally posted by legalbeagle:
Or double up a CO2 cannister sensor cleaning spray. |
Would you blow them away (in both senses) using that? |
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05/15/2005 07:01:03 PM · #74 |
| I just sing a lullaby when putting something to sleep... works every time :P |
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05/15/2005 07:25:20 PM · #75 |
Originally posted by DanSig:
I just sing a lullaby when putting something to sleep... works every time :P |
Try reading them the Congressional Record ... |
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