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05/07/2005 01:30:58 PM · #1 |
I'm a sackhead and i'm proud of it. I once received a PM while the voting on a challenge was still going on. I really didn't like it and this is why sometime later when they come up with the opportunity to put the bag on my head while voting I decided to do it. It doesn't mean I'm a coward wich I'm not. I leave comment good and bad to challenge entry's just as I leave them on regular photo too! I don't use the facts that nobody can know who I am to leave harsh comment while voting, besides the most part of my comments are good one and the not significant other part are, I hope, constructive. I'm anonymous during voting because I believe in the principle of the anonymity of the PHOTOGRAPHER but the site allow photographer to PM commenter during voting and I CAN'T allow this to happen to me. If the majority of the people on this site don't want people to wear bags on their head while voting, for me it's a statement that they don't want the photographers to be anonymous. If so, say it clearly for this site t oallow photographer to put their name on their challenges entry. Then I'll take off my bag.
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05/07/2005 01:38:59 PM · #2 |
I am with you....my bag stays on I don't care what anyone calls me.
The same thing happened to me I was receiveing too many replies to comments during voting. They were describing and explaining their photo in detail so I hid myself and am proud of it. If I comment on your photo during voting and after the voting is over you have something to say then PM me that is what it is there for!
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05/07/2005 01:39:58 PM · #3 |
| seems like we have a couple threads today on sackheads... wouldn't it be better to keep it to one? |
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05/07/2005 01:42:18 PM · #4 |
Originally posted by di53:
seems like we have a couple threads today on sackheads... wouldn't it be better to keep it to one? |
It would be better but I just don't feel like sackhead have their place or the right to defend their opinion it these anti-sackead threads.
Message edited by author 2005-05-07 13:42:37. |
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05/07/2005 01:43:41 PM · #5 |
I think it's really nice when after commenting on a photograph a "thank you, yes I agree that the horizon is a bit squint or I'm so glad you understood what I was trying to do" comes back during voting.
After voting we're all on to the next challenge and "thank you's" to the people who take the time to comment are often overlooked.
Steve |
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05/07/2005 01:53:28 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by rex:
I am with you....my bag stays on I don't care what anyone calls me.
The same thing happened to me I was receiveing too many replies to comments during voting. They were describing and explaining their photo in detail .. |
I take you didn't care for the photographer's explanation of their photo. Never let facts contained within inside information distort your vote; is that it?
Seems a bit one-sided when one may feel free to correct the photographer's vision, but feel violated if receiving attempted enlightenment in response to the author's interpretive skills.
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05/07/2005 01:57:12 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by RonBeam:
Originally posted by rex:
I am with you....my bag stays on I don't care what anyone calls me.
The same thing happened to me I was receiveing too many replies to comments during voting. They were describing and explaining their photo in detail .. |
I take you didn't care for the photographer's explanation of their photo. Never let facts contained within inside information distort your vote; is that it?
Seems a bit one-sided when one may feel free to correct the photographer's vision, but feel violated if receiving attempted enlightenment in response to the author's interpretive skills. |
The photographer is ASKING for commenters to comment on their vision (with their opinions on any aspect of it) by placing their image in the challenge in the first place.
That's one of the central purposes of DPC.
Whether one cares for the photographer's explanation isn't the point being raised. The point being raised is that trying to have that extra information considered by the voter during the voting period is unfair as it distorts both anonymity and also the level playing field - all entrants should be judged on the image they submit and the title they give it not extra information they've been able to give one or more voters.
Message edited by author 2005-05-07 13:58:10.
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05/07/2005 01:57:54 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by RonBeam:
Originally posted by rex:
I am with you....my bag stays on I don't care what anyone calls me.
The same thing happened to me I was receiveing too many replies to comments during voting. They were describing and explaining their photo in detail .. |
I take you didn't care for the photographer's explanation of their photo. Never let facts contained within inside information distort your vote; is that it?
Seems a bit one-sided when one may feel free to correct the photographer's vision, but feel violated if receiving attempted enlightenment in response to the author's interpretive skills. |
I won't comment on photos without photographers comments filled out but can't see that during voting. We should be able to understand with the photo and title. If you want to explain something after voting has ended then that is fine. Once I vote that is it someone pming me to try and change my vote is wrong and when they done so I deducted point for it. I will get slammed for speking the truth but you asked for it. You have nothing to worry about because you are not a member and I no longer vote or enter open challenges.
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05/07/2005 01:58:32 PM · #9 |
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05/07/2005 02:02:45 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by Tallbloke:
I think it's really nice when after commenting on a photograph a "thank you, yes I agree that the horizon is a bit squint or I'm so glad you understood what I was trying to do" comes back during voting.
After voting we're all on to the next challenge and "thank you's" to the people who take the time to comment are often overlooked.
Steve |
A simple (and popular) "Thank you to all who commented" in the forum after the voting works for me. If the submitter feels any specific replies are warranted, they will take the time to go back and PM the unmasked commenter after voting.
-Ken
-Proud member of the Sackhead Clique |
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05/07/2005 02:03:57 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by kpriest:
Originally posted by Tallbloke:
I think it's really nice when after commenting on a photograph a "thank you, yes I agree that the horizon is a bit squint or I'm so glad you understood what I was trying to do" comes back during voting.
After voting we're all on to the next challenge and "thank you's" to the people who take the time to comment are often overlooked.
Steve |
A simple (and popular) "Thank you to all who commented" in the forum after the voting works for me. If the submitter feels any specific replies are warranted, they will take the time to go back and PM the unmasked commenter after voting.
-Ken
-Proud member of the Sackhead Clique |
Can I join the Sackhead Clique?
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05/07/2005 02:05:07 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by Kavey:
Originally posted by RonBeam:
Originally posted by rex:
I am with you....my bag stays on I don't care what anyone calls me.
The same thing happened to me I was receiveing too many replies to comments during voting. They were describing and explaining their photo in detail .. |
I take you didn't care for the photographer's explanation of their photo. Never let facts contained within inside information distort your vote; is that it?
Seems a bit one-sided when one may feel free to correct the photographer's vision, but feel violated if receiving attempted enlightenment in response to the author's interpretive skills. |
The photographer is ASKING for commenters to comment on their vision (with their opinions on any aspect of it) by placing their image in the challenge in the first place.
That's one of the central purposes of DPC.
Whether one cares for the photographer's explanation isn't the point being raised. The point being raised is that trying to have that extra information considered by the voter during the voting period is unfair as it distorts both anonymity and also the level playing field - all entrants should be judged on the image they submit and the title they give it. |
Yup. This is why I make NO COMMENTS until I'm basically through voting on an image. I do a sorting vote, then go back through and fine-tune the votes. Only when I've assigned an image its final score do I add a comment. I never change the score of an image I've commented upon if I receive a PM from the photographer. Actually, I did once; a photographer pointed out somethign very obvious that I had completely missed that made the difference between "meets the challenge" and "does not meet the challenge", so I went back and revised my score on that one. I think this is ok, really. As long as it's done politely and not an overt "request".
I wouldn't respond well to "You idiot! How could you miss the spangle on the snackbutt?", but I might appreciate "Thanks for the comment. For what it's worth, I had thought the spangle on the snackbutt was sufficient for this image to meet the challenge, but apparently not... Live and learn!"
Robt.
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05/07/2005 02:09:31 PM · #13 |
Robert I use your same method. You suggested this to me a while back and it works great. I now comment when all my votes are final.
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05/07/2005 02:57:57 PM · #14 |
If I could, I'd put on the bag, too. I like comments for what they're worth and not for who made them. At the moment, I have a line or to in my bio stating that I don't want any comments about my comments until voting is over. I think most people respect that.
Anyway, I've just decided to hide all the commenters' names on my entries until voting is over. Sackheads everywhere :) |
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05/07/2005 03:13:29 PM · #15 |
ok -- i'm going baghead (i think is sounds better ;)
i've just received the third comment in a row on my "fives" which "said it would look better if you *****"
well no it sucked when i did *****
i pm'ed the first two -- but now i give up
bag me ..
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05/07/2005 03:17:37 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by ralphnev:
ok -- i'm going baghead (i think is sounds better ;)
i've just received the third comment in a row on my "fives" which "said it would look better if you *****"
well no it sucked when i did *****
i pm'ed the first two -- but now i give up
bag me .. |
Ralph, I am one of the 3 commentors. If you have your picture for vote, ofcourse I am going to ask you why you did so if I can't figure out myself and I am going to comment about what I think about it... this is why I submit my photos here.. to know what others think about it !!
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05/07/2005 03:27:13 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by gaurawa:
Originally posted by ralphnev:
ok -- i'm going baghead (i think is sounds better ;)
i've just received the third comment in a row on my "fives" which "said it would look better if you *****"
well no it sucked when i did *****
i pm'ed the first two -- but now i give up
bag me .. |
Ralph, I am one of the 3 commentors. If you have your picture for vote, ofcourse I am going to ask you why you did so if I can't figure out myself and I am going to comment about what I think about it... this is why I submit my photos here.. to know what others think about it !! |
yes & thankyou for the comment
but i don't do things by accident (much) .. and like i PM'ed you things were done purposefully ..
and i don't want to appear to push people to change a score so i'll keep my commenters bagged (& try to resist viewing)
-- but i do wish there was a way to seriously return a bagged comment rather than PM'g people -- now i haveto remeber to update my image with my comments to commenters ... as a rational for the image
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05/07/2005 04:25:14 PM · #18 |
| I think a lot of us are missing the point. The reason most of us joined DPC is to learn more about photography. In my experience with sackheads, the greater majority of them seemed to make, mean spirited comments that really have no bearing upon the quality or helping me improve my photography. I appreciate constructive comments and mark them as such. I'm grateful to those of better ability for their input on my work. Thanks to those who do make constructive comments, whether you're a sackhead or not. |
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05/07/2005 04:28:34 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by Glen King:
Thanks to those who do make constructive comments, whether you're a sackhead or not. |
Fortunately, I find this includes virtually all commenters ... one rude or inane comment out of 20 or 30 comments is just no big deal, and I've actually found them to be far less frequent than that ... |
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05/07/2005 05:03:48 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by ralphnev:
... but i don't do things by accident (much) ... |
Have you got the one where you take a tack sharp picture...Diffuse it for mood...and then have several people tell you that it is out of focus?
Those just tickle that daylights out of me... |
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05/07/2005 05:13:00 PM · #21 |
| Would be possible to create a bag had avatar to show by the name in forum posts? |
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05/08/2005 11:42:38 AM · #22 |
Robert when I am able to find the time to vote (which I haven't done for a few weeks) I do the voting first, (which is usually rough vote, then more accurate and then fine tune, much as I always have done) and THEN add comments.
Occasionally I might add a comment whilst voting but not often.
If I know I won't have time to vote I'll drop comments as I'm browsing through looking.
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And in response to Glen's post, I have to say that I absolutely have not noticed a difference in ratio of nasty to nice comments from "sackheads" to the ratio from non-anonymous voters.
Probably because "sackheads" are perfectly aware that their comments will remain anonymous only for a few days, not for good.
Message edited by author 2005-05-08 11:42:48.
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