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05/05/2005 05:04:02 AM · #1
Anyone noticed that in the recent challenges, some of the subjects are identical to another one that would suggests that some people may have more than one account to submit different "Takes" of their shots.

It might be couples, or different members of a family but do they have to shoot the same subject?

I'm not really concern about them "cheating" by submitting more than once... Because if their pictures are bad... They'll have 2 pictures with bad votes...

I was just wondering if anyone else noticed and what you think about this...
05/05/2005 05:07:33 AM · #2
Ive noticed this before while voting but almost always forget to go back and look once the challenge is done.
05/05/2005 05:10:48 AM · #3
Originally posted by nico_blue:

Ive noticed this before while voting but almost always forget to go back and look once the challenge is done.


Same thing here... Anyone not as lazy as Nico and me that could do the research?

(Congrats to Nico on February by the way)

Message edited by author 2005-05-05 05:12:41.
05/05/2005 05:13:29 AM · #4
Look at these two from the current challenge:
(removed image IDs)

Clearly, they are from the same action sequence!


Please do not post IDs for images currently in the challenge! If you have concerns with images in the challenge either PM a member of SC, use the Contact us feature, or request a DQ on the image.

Photographers on DPC have been known to go and hang out together, shoot the same event, and submit similar shots. :)

Clara


Message edited by Manic - please dont refer to specific voting images.
05/05/2005 05:14:39 AM · #5
Originally posted by northrop3:

Look at these two from the current challenge:

Clearly, they are from the same action sequence!


I think you can't link pictures from current challenges...

Is that in Late Night?... I've come across one so far.

Message edited by Manic - please dont refer to specific voting images.
05/05/2005 05:15:26 AM · #6
yeah, looks that way. Browse the thumbnails though and look at the two.
05/05/2005 05:18:03 AM · #7
Originally posted by northrop3:

yeah, looks that way. Browse the thumbnails though and look at the two.


Saw them... Hard to argue. There was also a bird nest...

Edit: The bird nest seem to be just a coincidence... But the other pictures, Definitely same shoot.

Message edited by Manic - please dont refer to specific voting images.
05/05/2005 05:27:08 AM · #8
I don't think the birds' nests were...well, let me put it this way: they are definitely not of the same nest. My money is on coincidence in those cases. After all, we have a number of bird lovers on DPC. The other...well, I think that entering twice with slightly different shots like that (and not particularly good either) is a sure fire way to screw one's self over. This thread will also help destroy their scores I imagine. I, and several others, I bet, can't wait to see who entered them!

Message edited by Manic - please do not refer to specific voting images.
05/05/2005 05:29:06 AM · #9
Originally posted by NovaTiger:

I don't think the birds' nests were...


I just checked, you are right!
05/05/2005 05:31:36 AM · #10
Originally posted by NovaTiger:

(...)well, I think that entering twice with slightly different shots like that (...) can't wait to see who entered them!


Might be two friends that shot together... Let's not throw stones yet... But raise an eyebrow!

Message edited by Manic - please dont refer to specific voting images.
05/05/2005 05:48:02 AM · #11
Originally posted by grandmarginal:

Might be two friends that shot together... Let's not throw stones yet... But raise an eyebrow!

Beat me to it.
We have seen friends/couples shoot same/similar shots:
Blue & Red Ribbons no less!
05/05/2005 06:02:31 AM · #12
Originally posted by BradP:

(...)We have seen friends/couples shoot same/similar shots:
Blue & Red Ribbons no less!


That's cool! But when the pictures are that beautiful... I don't mind the variation.
05/05/2005 06:12:18 AM · #13
Originally posted by grandmarginal:

Might be two friends that shot together


Nah-ah. I'm thinking it's the same guy both times: same shoes and clothing on the skateboarder.

Originally posted by BradP:

We have seen friends/couples shoot same/similar shots:
Blue & Red Ribbons no less!


You notice how similar the 3rd and 4th place finishes are, too?

Sheesh! AND the 8th and 9th!

Good Lord, and the 14th and 15th, too!

Well, actually that's beginning to stretch it. There were actually a lot of similar looking shots that were not quite exactly the same in that challenge.

Message edited by author 2005-05-05 06:16:10.
05/05/2005 06:15:53 AM · #14
Originally posted by NovaTiger:

Originally posted by grandmarginal:

Might be two friends that shot together


Nah-ah. I'm thinking it's the same guy both times: same shoes and clothing on the skateboarder.


Yeah but it might 2 different photographers shooting the same subject.

Message edited by author 2005-05-05 06:16:43.
05/05/2005 06:16:45 AM · #15
Originally posted by grandmarginal:

In wich challenge?


Waiting
05/05/2005 06:16:47 AM · #16
On many occasions my wife and I have simular photos as we use the challenge topics and go shooting for a weekend sometimes.

Its alway a race to the computer to edit first to have first dibs at selecting your entry, seems that on many occasions both of our selected best shots as of the same subject so that means that (Normally me) will have to select form our lesser favoured shots.

All that's fine as I'm not really concerned about scores its all about learning and enjoying what we are doing.

That said there are some people out there who feel that they can abuse the system by entering 2 or more photos, I prefer not to cheat myself like they do by cheating themselves.
05/05/2005 06:21:44 AM · #17
How nice to see people giving others the benefit of the doubt. Not.
With the exception of grandmarginal people seem awfully quick to accuse, judge and practically convict.
I'd hate to have such a negative outlook on life that I always assumed the worst rather than giving the benefit of the doubt!

DPC is a friendly community and people often invite their real life friends and family to join them here, not to mention how many of us have become real life friends after meeting on DPC...

Which means LOTS of members are going out together and shooting the same subjects.

Not surprising that this will sometimes lead to similar shots of the same subject being entered into a challenge.

I'm not saying cheating doesn't happen but surely it's better to wait and see before accusing.

I also don't think it's AT ALL fair to be discussing specific entries currently being voted on in a challenge in this way. To refer to them by description is bad enough, to provide the image ID numbers is even worse.


05/05/2005 06:27:15 AM · #18
Yeah... My goal wasn't to start a witch-hunt, but as I mentionned it's happening a lot lately (not just in the current challenges)... Just wanted to know if other people noticed... But I'll still vote on each individual picture asuming it's legit.
05/05/2005 06:42:54 AM · #19
Originally posted by grandmarginal:

Yeah... My goal wasn't to start a witch-hunt, but as I mentionned it's happening a lot lately (not just in the current challenges)... Just wanted to know if other people noticed... But I'll still vote on each individual picture asuming it's legit.


I understand but... it just means that these images have now been brought to peoples' attention in a way that others in the challenge haven't which just doesn't seem fair.

Whilst you may not assume the worst and vote them down, others might.

And no, neither is mine nor do I have a clue who they belong to.
05/05/2005 06:44:06 AM · #20
Again- please do not use the forums to discuss specific images in an ongoing challenge. If you have concerns or suspicions about entries in a challenge we have a wide variety of tools for you. You can PM a member of SC, contact the admins directly, or request proof/DQ on the image. Any of these will alert SC to the issue and prevent innocent photographers from being negativley impacted. :)

Clara
05/05/2005 06:48:09 AM · #21
Thanks Clara
I see you've removed image ID references.
Might it also be possible to remove references to content of the images from a number of posts since it's an unusual subject matter and makes them identifiable?
05/05/2005 06:50:55 AM · #22
I noticed this also and had to go back thru the ones I voted already to double check and sure enough the pictures were of the same subject. I was going to post here about double entries but then I figured it might be a husband/wife that went out and shot the same thing. Sort of a challenge in and amongst themselves to see who would get the higher score.
05/05/2005 06:54:34 AM · #23
OK, since this thread has run it's course, I think it's only fair to lock it and move on. Best to leave the speculation aside and wait for voting to end before discussing this further...
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