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05/01/2005 06:31:29 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by Jewellian:
Originally posted by nico_blue:
On a more serious note... whats the point of a straight out of the camera challenge??? Are you competing to see who has the best camera? |
More likeley it's a challenge to see who has the best eye. A lot of post editing is taking out things you don't want, i.e. cropping, burning, dodging. In a challenge like this it's all about the set up, eye, and a healthy dose of luck. |
Are you inferring that it does not require a good eye to "crop, burn and dodge" to the advantage of the resultant image?
The best photographer/artist is not the one who commandeers the best resources; be it equipment or environment in which to capture an image. The best photographer/artist is the one with the deepest vision within themselves. The restriction to not edit is no more equivocal to artistic excellence than limiting a sculpture to using one hand.
Message edited by author 2005-05-01 18:33:09. |
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05/01/2005 06:36:44 PM · #27 |
| I wasn't meaning to imply that using cropping or any other editing makes anyone any less of a photographer. It allows you to take a pic that is just OK, and transform it into a great one. I was trying to say that the challenge of not allowing post processing is forcing the photographer to not rely on those tools. I apologize if I sounded like I was saying that people who use post processing is less than anyone else in ability. |
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05/01/2005 06:39:18 PM · #28 |
Hmmmpffhh.... ok, General, I forgive you.
Has it occured to the "powers that be" that there are reasons for such repetitions?
One of them, no doubt, is that new people think the idea that just occured to them is brand new. They either don't bother to check, or can't check because the search isn't working. They're only trying to join in and be helpful.
But there is another reason, too.
People make many good suggestions, but for the most part we don't get much (or no) reaction from the bosses.
It would help if someone from SC said something like: "Ok, I hear you. I can't promise anything, but I will make sure to bring it up for discussion."
Then it would be even better, if at times we did hear from you guys up there........ let us in on a few of your decisions - things that WILL happen, things that MIGHT happen, suggestions you still need to discuss, as well as things that have been decided against.
As long as us mere mortals down here have no idea which suggestions have even made it into the hallowed chambers to at least be considered, YOU will have to be prepared for the odd knock on the door to ask what we're up to. |
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05/01/2005 06:55:18 PM · #29 |
I am but a Nave..naive, simple, ingenuous, unsophisticated, natural, unaffected, guileless, artless.
Beetle you make a good point and we do hear you as do D&L. I can assure you that they read the posts. It's their site and they are really very good at responding to issues and requests. Like the THE General said it's been asked for before. Just hang around and maybe one day they'll surprise you and grant your wish. :)
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05/01/2005 06:59:51 PM · #30 |
As far as I know, every topic in the pool has come from user suggestions posted in the forums. That this one has not yet been (re)scheduled is not because it hasn't been considered, but for other reasons as yet unknown to the rest of us.
We welcome suggestions; I just don't think further lobbying or arguing for them is a particularly productive strategy. |
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05/01/2005 07:05:33 PM · #31 |
| For what it's worth, I am in the camp that would like to see this challenge happen. I have nothing against post-processing and use it all the time...probably on just about all of my photos. I would really like freedom from that thought process and see what we can come up with just in camera. I have actually altered my photographic "eye" since going digital, with the knowledge of what I might do in post processing (I did not do my own film processing.) It seems like we repeat a lot of challenges, or very very similar ones, so I would hope to see this one coming up as well. Just my .o2. |
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05/01/2005 07:12:24 PM · #32 |
General, I have two daughters, and each one has at least 100 wishes at any given time.
Some wishes I can grant, others are a simple NO with no way to change my mind.
But there is a big middle ground, too - the "I'll think about it, perhaps some day" basket.
Those ones, my little darlings tend to bring up now and again, just to test the waters. And guess what - sometimes that strategy works, because I had actually FORGOTTEN about the request!!!!
So as long as they politely state their case without a tantrum, it brings that request back to the original place (the yes/no/maybe)- and this time the answer could be a YES.
Even if it still ends up a maybe - at least they know it is under consideration and they'll back off about it again for a little while.
As long as they remember their manners about it, I don't blame them for trying again.
So, if we come to you guys to ask for that new playstation again, keep in mind that you haven't said NO yet. We're being good kiddies using our manners, after all.
Please please please, huh huh huh? Can we? Pleeeeeeaaaaasseeeeee!!!! |
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05/01/2005 08:04:23 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by Beetle:
We're being good kiddies using our manners, after all.
Please please please, huh huh huh? Can we? Pleeeeeeaaaaasseeeeee!!!! |
You'll just have to wait until mommy stops for gas .. : ) |
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05/01/2005 08:12:29 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by SDW65:
How do you feel about a straight out of the camera challenge ? The only editing allowed would be to reduce the image size down to 640x and 150k or less jpg. This would mean no cropping so we would have to be especially aware of composition at the time the picture was taken. Anything that can be achieved in the camera is permissible except double exposure.
It would not be a free study, DPC would come up with the theme and the picture would have to be taken during the set time period.
Already have that, its called basic editing. You can't do much cool stuff with that.
Any comments / thoughts? |
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05/01/2005 09:00:51 PM · #35 |
Post processing is a normal and usually necessary part of imaging in today's digital world. This suggestion is almost like taking pictures with print film but only being allowed to submit the negative.
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05/02/2005 05:27:58 PM · #36 |
Sorry, I started a thread and didn't realize this one was going already. I called my "No Frills Included...Enter your best image with no cropping, no titles, no borders, nothin'. Let's see what you're made of without all the extra editing!"
I guess it pretty much the same thing you guys have all been talking about. Let's Do It.
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