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04/29/2005 11:07:30 AM · #151 |
| I have one comment:" not minimalism " it would have been nice of them to explain what is, instead of leaving me in limbo :) |
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04/29/2005 11:17:12 AM · #152 |
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better than i thought. good comments so far than you. |
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04/29/2005 11:19:54 AM · #153 |
The rules say "Create an image where your subject is the strong point of the image, but only occupying a very small portion of the image space" To me that means a subject that is on a blurred or single color background. Nothing else should distract from the subject. Since I have only scored a few pictures I will try to comment why I do not think it is minimalism. But again this is all subjective...
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04/29/2005 11:25:40 AM · #154 |
Originally posted by khdoss:
I did not enter this challenge although I did a few shots and I have seen a few of the same ideas entered so I feel like I understood the rules. I am having a real hard time scoring because some of the ones that meet the challenge rules are very boring. This is my just my opinion. There are a few wonderful examples and I have scored accordingly, but this is a very difficult challenge for the entries and the voters.
The best I can do is comment that I love the pictures but my understanding of the rules did not meet the requirements of the challenge. Anyone else having a problem?? |
Exactly my feeling. I did enter the challenge and my entry is very boring in my opinion. But the entry is scoring better than my average entry! Something a bit peculiar: my score goes up during the nighttime hours and falls again during the daylight hours.
Voters must feel more mellow at night!
Message edited by author 2005-04-29 11:26:07. |
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04/29/2005 11:40:44 AM · #155 |
Votes: 231
Views: 277
Avg Vote:
Comments: 25
Favorites: 1
Message edited by author 2005-04-29 12:02:08. |
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04/29/2005 11:43:49 AM · #156 |
Originally posted by ElGordo:
Originally posted by khdoss:
I did not enter this challenge although I did a few shots and I have seen a few of the same ideas entered so I feel like I understood the rules. I am having a real hard time scoring because some of the ones that meet the challenge rules are very boring. This is my just my opinion. There are a few wonderful examples and I have scored accordingly, but this is a very difficult challenge for the entries and the voters.
The best I can do is comment that I love the pictures but my understanding of the rules did not meet the requirements of the challenge. Anyone else having a problem?? |
Exactly my feeling. I did enter the challenge and my entry is very boring in my opinion. But the entry is scoring better than my average entry! Something a bit peculiar: my score goes up during the nighttime hours and falls again during the daylight hours.
Voters must feel more mellow at night! |
I too noticed that my score goes up at night and plumets during the day...i wonder what that is all about...hmmm ;)
Votes: 227
Views: 255
Avg Vote: 4.8943
Comments: 5
avg. is still higher than my last entry(my first one too) i know its a pretty boaring photo but i feel i met both the title and the description nicely. the few comments i have gotten have varied from a 5 vote up to a 10! tho i love the 10(and i am in no way complaining about a 10) im not sure if it deserved it. I am my own harshest critic but i wish i had more comments to let me know what could've made my photo better. I am slowly learning alot about photo and processing but i have a lifetime of learning to do. i have had no "formal"training or taken any type of classes. i consider myself a true beginner and i certainly welcome all comments wether they be good or bad. i wonder if there has been some real thin-skinned photographers here in the past that makes everyone feel the need to tread so lightly when commenting. i look at it like this...if you are going to take the time to comment on a photo (at least on mine)tell me the truth about what u feel and think of it, the whole truth(even if the whole photo is wrong) and for gods sake, dont candy coat it! what peeves me most is a comment like "this sucks" or " nice" because i want to know what makes "it suck" or "nice" for you and how u personally feel i could make it better.....ooops...sorry i didnt mean to ramble on like this...just looking for more comments on how to be a better photographer. :o)
edit:spelling again ;(
Message edited by author 2005-04-29 11:45:41.
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04/29/2005 11:44:06 AM · #157 |
Originally posted by ElGordo:
Originally posted by khdoss:
I did not enter this challenge although I did a few shots and I have seen a few of the same ideas entered so I feel like I understood the rules. I am having a real hard time scoring because some of the ones that meet the challenge rules are very boring. This is my just my opinion. There are a few wonderful examples and I have scored accordingly, but this is a very difficult challenge for the entries and the voters.
The best I can do is comment that I love the pictures but my understanding of the rules did not meet the requirements of the challenge. Anyone else having a problem?? |
Exactly my feeling. I did enter the challenge and my entry is very boring in my opinion. But the entry is scoring better than my average entry! Something a bit peculiar: my score goes up during the nighttime hours and falls again during the daylight hours.
Voters must feel more mellow at night! |
I know what you mean...well sort of...I didn't focus enough on my subject and now am suffering the wrath of the voters and am well below even my lowest score yet :(. I should have stuck with my 2nd or 3rd idea...of course there are 3 of that shot on here already so I would probably still do poorly.
I do think though that there can be more than one item on the page but you really must make your one main subject stand out and draw enough attention that nothing else in the image distracts the viewer...this was my goal and I failed terribly due to rushing it.
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04/29/2005 02:07:34 PM · #158 |
khdoss wrote: The rules say "Create an image where your subject is the strong point of the image, but only occupying a very small portion of the image space" To me that means a subject that is on a blurred or single color background. Nothing else should distract from the subject.
To me this is reading in a conception into a statement which does not contain the conception. There is nothing in the statement that says the subject must be the only identifiable form in the image, only that it must be the strong point.
Where an entry only contains a single identifiable form, I am judging it on its artistic merits. If the negative space does not add to the subject I am voting the picture much lower than those where the negative space adds to the picture. I am not considering pictures with many identifiable forms as violating the challenge as long as there is a very small subject which is the strongest point in the picture and all the other identifiable forms are related to and support the subject.
Many pictures in this challenge have totally unartistic negative space and little subjects which offer nothing of interest as they have so few pixels representing them. They are also often poorly lit and poorly photographed. Some are surrounded with an identifiable scene that has nothing to do with the subject.
I believe this lack of artistry has occurred by people forming a concept based on the title of the challenge, and then reading this concept into the description of what images would meet the challenge. |
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04/29/2005 02:43:08 PM · #159 |
Originally posted by whagerbaumer:
khdoss wrote: The rules say "Create an image where your subject is the strong point of the image, but only occupying a very small portion of the image space" To me that means a subject that is on a blurred or single color background. Nothing else should distract from the subject.
To me this is reading in a conception into a statement which does not contain the conception. There is nothing in the statement that says the subject must be the only identifiable form in the image, only that it must be the strong point.
Where an entry only contains a single identifiable form, I am judging it on its artistic merits. If the negative space does not add to the subject I am voting the picture much lower than those where the negative space adds to the picture. I am not considering pictures with many identifiable forms as violating the challenge as long as there is a very small subject which is the strongest point in the picture and all the other identifiable forms are related to and support the subject.
Many pictures in this challenge have totally unartistic negative space and little subjects which offer nothing of interest as they have so few pixels representing them. They are also often poorly lit and poorly photographed. Some are surrounded with an identifiable scene that has nothing to do with the subject.
I believe this lack of artistry has occurred by people forming a concept based on the title of the challenge, and then reading this concept into the description of what images would meet the challenge. |
I'm in complete agreement here. It seems unreasonable to me to read into the challenge description a "requirement" that the non-subject portion of the image must be monochromatic or blurred into insensibility. ESPECIALLY because it's a basic editing challenge, and we can't selectively blur. How limiting is that? Sheesh. And I'm seeing TONS of shots where a subject is tucked down into a corner of a perfectly plain, empty rectangular space for no reason other than to "meet the challenge". To me, that's the easy way out. On the other hand, there are a number of very "busy" images that meet the challenge extremely well, as the description is written, but in no way qualify otherwise as "minimalist" per the title, and these I'm giving their well-deserved high scores.
Finally, there's a fair sprinkling of images that accomplish both things; minimalist, not-busy images that use the non-subject space constructively and naturally. Mine, I believe, is one of these, and the voters seem to agree:
Votes: 244
Views: 312
Avg Vote: 6.9385
Comments: 31
Favorites: 0
Wish Lists: 0
Updated: 04/29/05 02:42 pm
Robt.
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04/29/2005 03:01:19 PM · #160 |
Snip quote from bear music: Finally, there's a fair sprinkling of images that accomplish both things; minimalist, not-busy images that use the non-subject space constructively and naturally. Mine, I believe, is one of these, and the voters seem to agree:
Good Luck, bear!
I think mine fits that description but then you had to add that voter statement about them agreeing and all... |
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04/29/2005 03:17:04 PM · #161 |
| Good luck Robert! Looks like a ribbon coming your way! |
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04/29/2005 03:21:22 PM · #162 |
Originally posted by bear_music:
[quote=whagerbaumer]
To me this is reading in a conception into a statement which does not contain the conception. There is nothing in the statement that says the subject must be the only identifiable form in the image, only that it must be the strong point.
Where an entry only contains a single identifiable form, I am judging it on its artistic merits. If the negative space does not add to the subject I am voting the picture much lower than those where the negative space adds to the picture. I am not considering pictures with many identifiable forms as violating the challenge as long as there is a very small subject which is the strongest point in the picture and all the other identifiable forms are related to and support the subject.
Many pictures in this challenge have totally unartistic negative space and little subjects which offer nothing of interest as they have so few pixels representing them. They are also often poorly lit and poorly photographed. Some are surrounded with an identifiable scene that has nothing to do with the subject.
I believe this lack of artistry has occurred by people forming a concept based on the title of the challenge, and then reading this concept into the description of what images would meet the challenge. |
I guess this is what I was trying to say but it didn't come across like I wanted it to. But so many of the shots I have seen so far I have to look at the title to see what the subject was according to the photographer. I am not a fan of naming a shot because then it becomes an explanation. This is a very difficult challenge.
Message edited by author 2005-04-29 15:23:25. |
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04/29/2005 03:22:28 PM · #163 |
Votes: 228
Views: 305
Avg Vote: 6.3421
Comments: 36
Favorites: 1
Wish Lists: 0
Updated: 04/29/05 03:00 pm
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04/29/2005 03:26:27 PM · #164 |
As expectd, lots of comments in this challenge :-)
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04/29/2005 03:31:42 PM · #165 |
Originally posted by nshapiro:
Good luck Robert! Looks like a ribbon coming your way! |
Thanks, but I doubt it. I'm guessing high-scoring, 7+ to ribbon. I'm not sure 6.9xxx will even make top 10. Assuming it holds up, that is.
Robt.
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04/29/2005 03:36:30 PM · #166 |
Votes: 242
Views: 286
Avg Vote: 5.6983
Comments: 15
Favorites: 0
Wish Lists: 0
Updated: 04/29/05 03:00 pm |
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04/29/2005 04:13:25 PM · #167 |
| Wow, my score has fallen so far.. the last 125 voters have been much harsher than the first 125. |
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04/29/2005 04:31:22 PM · #168 |
Votes: 230
Views: 255
Avg Vote: 7.426
Comments: 15
WOOT go me go me
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04/29/2005 04:36:12 PM · #169 |
woot woot thread killer to the rescue!
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04/29/2005 05:41:38 PM · #170 |
My score has dropped in the last couple of days but I have gotten lots of great comment so im happy.
Votes: 262
Views: 338
Avg Vote: 6.2405
Comments: 19
Favorites: 1
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04/29/2005 05:52:29 PM · #171 |
Originally posted by bear_music:
Originally posted by nshapiro:
Good luck Robert! Looks like a ribbon coming your way! |
Thanks, but I doubt it. I'm guessing high-scoring, 7+ to ribbon. I'm not sure 6.9xxx will even make top 10. Assuming it holds up, that is.
Robt. |
I don't think you'll be right Robert: with such a dichotomy between those who follow the guidelines religiously, and those who hold a different view of 'minimalism', a lower high-score is to be expected. I think you're in with a chance. I thought I was, after day one, but not any more - mind you, I expected in the region of 5.something, and a few comments expressing their doubts about it's minimalism, instead of which I'm getting a bunch of raves (with a reater number, I suspect, of silent dismissals). But the sheer number of comments is nice, and the faves.
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04/29/2005 06:12:08 PM · #172 |
Votes: 254
Views: 311
Avg Vote: 5.2323
Comments: 14
Favorites: 0
Wish Lists: 0
I am right where I should be I feel. it was a bit weird. My first comment was something like this "I think you will be the weiner" I knew i wasn't going to be that but I had to chuckle. And I had to wondern if we had members from Amsterdam.
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04/30/2005 04:06:15 PM · #173 |
Originally posted by ClickNSee:
Originally posted by visual28:
Personally, I feel bad about my submission. I took a gamble and now it is killing my image... I added a black border to my image and I have ahout 6 people stating that the border was to distracting. :( I am so bummed... This was my best image ever.
Stats so far:
Votes: 214
Views: 280
Avg Vote: 6.4813
Comments: 29
Favorites: 2 |
Hey Vis...It must not be doing too badly, with a score of 6.4813, and two people who have added it as their Favorite. I noticed several images with black borders, and with white borders, and I try to ignore the borders. Personally I think they should not be allowed and that the image should stand on it's own merit, and not be added to or subtract from by a border. dpchallenge may want to consider that idea. Anyway, good luck with your entry. Looks like it is doing well. |
You know... I actually agree with this too. I have never added a border before because I thought it would be outside of the realm of basic editing. I just looked at what the other winners were doing, and I noticed a lot of borders. I took the gamble, but unfortunately paying the price. I should have went with my gut instinct to left the border off. o-well, next time right? :) |
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04/30/2005 05:27:36 PM · #174 |
Originally posted by DustDevil:
Votes: 254
Views: 311
Avg Vote: 5.2323
Comments: 14
Favorites: 0
Wish Lists: 0
I am right where I should be I feel. it was a bit weird. My first comment was something like this "I think you will be the weiner" I knew i wasn't going to be that but I had to chuckle. And I had to wondern if we had members from Amsterdam. |
Surely "wiener" refers to Vienna, Austria? As in "Wienerschnitzel"?
Robt.
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04/30/2005 05:44:01 PM · #175 |
Votes: 286
Views: 338
Avg Vote: 5.1154
Comments: 12
Favorites: 0
Wish Lists: 0
Updated: 04/30/05 05:00 pm
I want to be better than mediocre, so I'll press on.
I can't wait until I start my new job so I can:
A) Buy a membership and start entering those chellenges also, and
2) So I can buy a new camera (I'm thinking either the Canon 20D, or the Nikon D70). |
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