People had better get use to blood.

04/23/2005 12:06:59 AM · #1

I made a bloody mess out of my tack submission. Just letting people know if you don't like dark or bloody images you will probrably not like mine in the coming challenges if I decide to even stay here that long.

04/23/2005 12:20:30 AM · #2

Definately going to try and think of the gross's stuff I can for each challenge. I just a little bit unnerved about my tacks score right now. Just don't see how a picture in focus that in my opinon fits the challenge gets 12 1's and 13 2's and 21 3's. Being new here I guess I don't get that if your shot is in focus,pretains to the challenge,isn't a violation that people don't like it for being gorey they give you a low score.

Guess I will try to get all 1's next time.

Beetle

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

04/23/2005 12:27:25 AM · #3

If you desperately want a brown ribbon, there is no need to gross everyone out with blood.
Just leave the lenscap on - that should do the trick, too.

Edited to fix typo

Message edited by author 2005-04-23 00:27:54.

04/23/2005 12:29:05 AM · #4

Though I can sympathize with how a low score feels Charles, jumping up & down over it is only gonna' hurt your feet.

Shock value doesn't go over well anywhere - here, the real world, wherever. Had your shot had the tack stuck in ever so little just enough to get it to stay there and not have blood (fake or otherwise)oozing from it/around it, I am sure it would have scored far better.

If you are pleased with your submission, then that is all that really matters. You were given a task, did it, learned from it by gaining practice perhaps by using new techniques, lighting, etc.

Shrug it off, move on to the next challenge and have fun with it - this is all virtual anyway.

04/23/2005 12:30:12 AM · #5

Its not that but people get grossed out and give a low score. I guess I should have put a tack in a skirt. I guess I have been way to generous on my scoring..I was voting one 10 from the chalenge and then voting down accordingly for everyone else. I guess I need to think of a 10 photo regardless if its in the chalenge I am voting in.

Beetle

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

04/23/2005 12:31:49 AM · #6

You have been "way too generous" in your scoring?
OMG man, you are scoring an average of 3.6 out of 10 !!!!!
Can't get a heck of a lot lower than THAT!

04/23/2005 12:33:27 AM · #7

Well its wasn't for "shock" value. I udnerstand and respect what your saying BradP. But I have been in several forums and groups for artists. They do tutorials for like bares and lambs and kittens on how to make them ect ect. Soon as you make one with a bullet hole in one they flip out. I do not agree with everyone and everyhting that people do. But It was a different idea...only 2 other people had a tack stuck in a finger and only one of them had "blood". Compared to how many tacks just stuck in peices of paper. I guess I thought too much about trying to stand out and not fit in like sheep.

04/23/2005 12:36:02 AM · #8

I scored a 1 and a about 3-4 2 in abandoned building challenge. And thoose were for fuzziness and out of focus or what I thought was. Then I had alot of 3's and alot of 4's and a whole bunch of 5 and a few 6's fewer 7's and 8's and one 9 and 1 10.

Because you can't see my average for scoring the tacks until monday I believe. I am sure it will go to a 4.6 or so because I didn't score anything less then a 3 in in the tacks.

RayEthier

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 USM

04/23/2005 12:37:58 AM · #9

Originally posted by DustDevil:

I guess I have been way to generous on my scoring..

A review of your profile would tend to belie this assertion. It would seem that the DPC population doled out a higher average than you did... As previously mentioned by BradP ... Jumping up and down will only hurt your feet, and I would add that ranting like a spoiled child will not enhance your image in the least.

Ray

04/23/2005 12:40:16 AM · #10

Think of a challenge in these terms Charles.

How marketable is the shot? What is the mass appeal? Is it something that you would see in a magazine, a framed print on a wall? See where I'm going with it?

Voting-wise, rate each image on it's own merits. Nothing more, nothing less. In a challenge with 200 shots, I may rate ten shots a 10. There is no magic formula. I've had the crap knocked out of some of my shots, and though I was disappointed, it only made me learn from it.

In a challenge, I look at it this way. If a shot meets the challenge, it's pretty much a 5. From there, composition, lighting, focus/detail, interest, etc. will bump up/down from there. I typically try and go through them all, with a first impression vote, then go back and look at the better ones and the lower ones closer to see if I need to adjust my votes. It takes time and a decent frame of mind to be impartial and fair.

There's always the next one....

Message edited by author 2005-04-23 00:41:18.

Beetle

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

04/23/2005 12:41:59 AM · #11

Originally posted by DustDevil:

Because you can't see my average for scoring the tacks until monday I believe. I am sure it will go to a 4.6 or so because I didn't score anything less then a 3 in in the tacks.

Well that helps :-)

Now I just need to convince you that creativity INSIDE the box can be more challenging at times, and that there are such issues as manners and good taste.

If you cross certain boundaries, you will find that many people don't appreciate that.

04/23/2005 12:42:22 AM · #12

Oh I understand RayEtheir, sorry if it comes off that I am complaing. Maybe I am. And my scoring average isn't really what it should be without my tacks scoring averaged in their as well.

Just seems like people have a set thing they think of. I guess I have that as well because I saw so many barns (thats why I didn't take a photo of a barn for aband. blds. because they were going to be abundant) I tended to score thoose less then other ones.

Probrably doesn't really matter because I wasn't planning on entering any other challenges for a while. So I have really no idea why I even posted this thread lol. I am just insane...don't mind me.

04/23/2005 12:45:23 AM · #13

Oh I understand BradP, I don't want to be so far out and outlandish people are like "huh?" But I also do not like doing what other people in the mainstream are going to do.

I understand what your saying bettle, didn't mean I was going to take pictures of poop and call it minimalistic. But something like tacks it's a bit to easy for me to just throw some tacks down and take pictures of them. Tranquils was certainly not in the box.

04/23/2005 12:48:43 AM · #14

Originally posted by DustDevil:

Just seems like people have a set thing they think of. I guess I have that as well because I saw so many barns (thats why I didn't take a photo of a barn for aband. blds. because they were going to be abundant) I tended to score thoose less then other ones.

That is an easy thing to get caught up in, but as much as you are an artist involved in getting your work judged impartially, as a voter, you should try and do the same.

What if it was a Barns Challenge and there were 200 pics of Barns? If the Abandoned Buildings challenge had 50% of the submissions as barns , then oh well. Judge each one on it's own. Not everyone has access to finding really cool buildings or ancient structures in sunsets. barns would be a very common item to be found most anywhere, and a person's pride & joy submission should be viewed and voted with all fairness. It can be a bit tiresome I agree.

Like I said, thee's always the next one.

04/23/2005 12:50:13 AM · #15

I also understand everyone has their own voting criteria. I have only been giving one 10 and then a few 9's and sort of like a pyramid. I just figure someone has to win and everyone can't be a 10. Someones has to be better then the next.

I do not mind the score I recieved. It was better then my last submission. Just gets to yah when yeah get trashed.

RayEthier

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 USM

04/23/2005 12:53:41 AM · #16

While I can appreciate your ideology DustDevil, being outside the box is sometimes a great deal easier that trying to produce something that is inside the box. If you take the time to look at the time and effort that some people took to produce some of these photos, I am certain you can appreciate both the efforts made and the quality of the images produced.

I am not suggesting that you stifle your creativity, but you must be wary of the fact that some things that fall outside of the mainstream may not do well in this forum.

Read the comments made by BradP.... they are truly worthy of consideration. I would suggest you try again... you may be pleasantly surprised.

Ray

04/23/2005 12:54:26 AM · #17

In all fairness thats what I did in the Aband. Bldg voting. After the results were in I went back and checked out all of them one again and realised I could and should have scored them differently. That was my fault and for that I am sorry. But being new here and I just will not vote in a challenge I do not participate in.

We did not have access to any buildings here. People are crazy as me here and you can't just show up on their land taking pictures. So made do with what was available.

Just will have to move on I guess. To what I do not know. I have much better idea's then actual pictures. Maybe I will just sell idea's lol.

04/23/2005 12:57:02 AM · #18

Originally posted by DustDevil:

But I also do not like doing what other people in the mainstream are going to do.

Good for you. Walk your own path, but be receptive when someone doesn't like it. Picasso did, and I frankly don't like much of his work - my choice.

Originally posted by DustDevil:

But something like tacks it's a bit to easy for me to just throw some tacks down and take pictures of them.

But can you do it with flair, interest, fun, etc. and do it better than anyone else?
As mundane a challenge as it was, it is an excersize in thinking, creativity and making something as simple as a Tack, look good.
Was something different for me. I tried - why not?

My entry didn't do too hot:

- 37th place/72%/5.738 - oh well

Had fun trying to come up with ideas in the process too:

Just have fun with this stuff.

04/23/2005 12:57:21 AM · #19

I understand and rtespect both you and BradP and also Bear_music. And yes its difficult period to create anything. I have ADD and I am Bi Polar as well and OCD so my mind works a bit differently then most. Not that anything excuses anything or special considerations. But I think things through alot in my mind on how I feel people act and do things and why they do them and ect ect.

Just will have to chalk it up for what it is worth.

04/23/2005 12:59:39 AM · #20

I had several other idea's but I just could not make them come through. I like your tire idea and it never even crossed my mind. I originally has metal tacks with magnet's but the 3 magnets I was using to make a discared pile of bent beat up takes just were not strong enough. So I junked the idea and stabbed myself.

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6

04/23/2005 01:31:59 AM · #21

With all that said Charles, welcome to the addiction.

A finer place and better bunch of ~~nitwits~~ people would be hard to find. Keep your head screwed on right, have fun, and most important, do what makes you happy.

If you have a very different style than the rest of the world, so what? Gotta' please yourself first. If your style of photography is something that makes your jaw drop, has you running out to get a prints done, framed and hanging on your wall with pride, and yet score under 10% in each challenge, so what!! Your pride will still be hanging there long after the power switch is turned off.

frumoaznicul

Canon EOS-20D

04/23/2005 01:48:50 AM · #22

Oh I'm used to blood, I'm from Transilvania, gimme blood, more blood! :D