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04/06/2005 09:45:09 AM · #26 |
Originally posted by coolhar:
Do you think the ToS means anything that is not against the law must be considered as within the bounds of good taste? |
of course not.
and i have standards.
but, i am not going to get on a soapbox and see how loud i can yell in order to try to get the community to think that my standards should be the standards for the community.
the community can set its own standards by 1) putting their comments on individual images, 2) pm'ing the artists and having a dialogue with them about their images, 3) communicating concerns over an image to the sc, 4) in a public forum, saying 'i don't like' as opposed to 'we don't like'
in a challenge, the votes show what the community embraces and what the community eschews.
in the community, photographers made to feel welcome tend to stay and contribute. those that are put against the wall for public stonings tend to leave on their own accord.
i simply chose which images i want to look at, and, thankfully, most of the images here are basically acceptable to me. |
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04/06/2005 09:52:52 AM · #27 |
| As disturbing as the image may be, I find it acceptable both on the challenge meeting criteria and morality issue. I think it would be a sad day if the image is pulled. |
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04/06/2005 10:03:56 AM · #28 |
Originally posted by psychephylax:
As disturbing as the image may be, I find it acceptable both on the challenge meeting criteria and morality issue. I think it would be a sad day if the image is pulled. |
In the interest of freedom of expression, would it have been acceptable to you if images of explicit sex acts were submitted in the "Rubber Ducky" challenge (assuming there were 5 green grapes, blue water, etc...)?
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04/06/2005 10:06:42 AM · #29 |
Originally posted by lenkphotos:
Originally posted by psychephylax:
As disturbing as the image may be, I find it acceptable both on the challenge meeting criteria and morality issue. I think it would be a sad day if the image is pulled. |
In the interest of freedom of expression, would it have been acceptable to you if images of explicit sex acts were submitted in the "Rubber Ducky" challenge (assuming there were 5 green grapes, blue water, etc...)? |
explicit sex acts are a DIRECT violation of the TOS |
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04/06/2005 10:09:28 AM · #30 |
why not? there was something in the pet portrait, that wasnt a cat..but u could call it something else P***y
Originally posted by lenkphotos:
Originally posted by psychephylax:
As disturbing as the image may be, I find it acceptable both on the challenge meeting criteria and morality issue. I think it would be a sad day if the image is pulled. |
In the interest of freedom of expression, would it have been acceptable to you if images of explicit sex acts were submitted in the "Rubber Ducky" challenge (assuming there were 5 green grapes, blue water, etc...)? |
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04/06/2005 10:11:33 AM · #31 |
Amazing as it may sound, I posted a pic when I just joined... It was testing all borders. Eventually, after a very poor score and feedback that truely represented a 'stoning', it is the most favored pic from my portfolio as chosen by other DPCers.
Yip there is one 'disturbing' pic (maybe even 2/3),.... disturbing or just another point of view? Personally I hate it, others have the right to love it. |
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04/06/2005 10:31:38 AM · #32 |
Originally posted by kpriest:
Is it just me, or was there an inordinate amount of under-sized photos? Also - not sure if we are allowed to talk about a specific photo (someone chime in if I overstep) - but there was one photo in the group that was really disturbing. Anyone know what I'm talking about? |
I do know which one you're talking about and I agree... it was rather disturbing and apparently had nothing to do with the challenge. I gave it a 1. |
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04/06/2005 10:32:23 AM · #33 |
Originally posted by skiprow:
Originally posted by lenkphotos:
Originally posted by psychephylax:
As disturbing as the image may be, I find it acceptable both on the challenge meeting criteria and morality issue. I think it would be a sad day if the image is pulled. |
In the interest of freedom of expression, would it have been acceptable to you if images of explicit sex acts were submitted in the "Rubber Ducky" challenge (assuming there were 5 green grapes, blue water, etc...)? |
explicit sex acts are a DIRECT violation of the TOS |
Ah, yes, my bad... Explicit violence is not a DIRECT violation, making it thereby more acceptable here.
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04/06/2005 10:36:04 AM · #34 |
Originally posted by lenkphotos:
Explicit violence is not a DIRECT violation, making it thereby more acceptable here. |
not necessarily more acceptable (or even more tasteful) simply acceptable for the community to judge, comment on, appreciate, or torch... |
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04/06/2005 10:39:31 AM · #35 |
To the extent that we are discussing what we think the rules should be:
Why is it, I wonder, that we believe we should ban photos of sex acts - acts which either definitely are or may be legal in every city in every state in every country of the world; but we believe we should allow all depictions of violence regardless of how gratuitous when violence is almost always illegal in every context in every city in everys state in every country. What is it, I wonder, that we are hoping to teach our children and ourselves?
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04/06/2005 10:41:04 AM · #36 |
Originally posted by srbrubaker:
To the extent that we are discussing what we think the rules should be:
Why is it, I wonder, that we believe we should ban photos of sex acts - acts which either definitely are or may be legal in every city in every state in every country of the world; but we believe we should allow all depictions of violence regardless of how gratuitous when violence is almost always illegal in every context in every city in everys state in every country. What is it, I wonder, that we are hoping to teach our children and ourselves? |
...that sex is bad and violence is less bad.
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04/06/2005 10:41:46 AM · #37 |
Originally posted by skiprow:
... but, i am not going to get on a soapbox and see how loud i can yell in order to try to get the community to think that my standards should be the standards for the community. |
But your standards make up a small part of the community's standard.
Originally posted by skiprow:
the community can set its own standards by 1) putting their comments on individual images, 2) pm'ing the artists and having a dialogue with them about their images, 3) communicating concerns over an image to the sc, 4) in a public forum, saying 'i don't like' as opposed to 'we don't like' |
All of those ways of speaking out are after the fact. I think that in some cases the community's standards should be able to keep an undesirable image from being seen. And if, as lenkphotos speculates, the motive is to stir controversy, the methods you listed allow him to do so, and offer little deterent for the future. Maybe the instant photo is not offensive enough to our community's standard of good taste to merit it's being removed from the challenge, but other images might be, therefore that remedy should be preserved.
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04/06/2005 10:51:34 AM · #38 |
Originally posted by psychephylax:
As disturbing as the image may be, I find it acceptable both on the challenge meeting criteria and morality issue. I think it would be a sad day if the image is pulled. |
If indeed we are alluding to the same image.... kindly enlighten me as to just how this meets the challenge criteria, maybe I missed something.
You may wish to PM me in this regard so as to ensure we do not identify the image in question.
Ray |
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04/06/2005 10:52:54 AM · #39 |
Integrity
1. Steadfast adherence to a strict moral or ethical code.
Is this a forum without integrity? Is it a forum of "anything goes"? Like everyone else here, I have the choice of becoming a member or not. I signed up just a few weeks ago and I'm amazed at the photographic talent here. There is obviously a lot I can learn towards becoming a better photography.
But I still have to question myself if I'm going to belong to a group where I have to question the integrity of it (I know, I just stepped on a lot of toes). I'm not pointing out any one individual. I'm talking about what to expect from the group. If the pattern exists where I can expect to be disturbed at what I see in the challenges, then this probably isn't a place for.
Please keep in mind, I'm new here. I don't know what's been done in the past, and nobody knows what the future holds. We make decisions by our expections. I'm just trying to understand what to expect. |
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04/06/2005 11:05:52 AM · #40 |
I'd like to hear what John Ashcroft has to say about this.
And to borrow part of a Bushism...
"Let's err on the side of Freedom of Speech"
I'd like to add, that as of yet, there is No "pattern" of any trend towards the showing bad taste or continually offensive material on this site, as far as I can see.
Message edited by author 2005-04-06 11:21:09.
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04/06/2005 11:14:02 AM · #41 |
I'd strongly encourage deferring this discussion until after the challenge. While it serves a valuable purpose, it does a disservice to the image in question, which is still being voted on.
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04/06/2005 12:00:33 PM · #42 |
Well, you all may have scared me off from voting on this challenge. If I come across "the photo" and it gives me nightmares, well ...
One other challenge made me queasy, and I couldn't vote past my 20%.
Okay, so I'm a whimp (I admit it) and some of you will say get out of photography all together! That's not going to happen though ... |
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04/06/2005 12:04:00 PM · #43 |
Originally posted by woohoopepper:
Well, you all may have scared me off from voting on this challenge. If I come across "the photo" and it gives me nightmares, well ...
One other challenge made me queasy, and I couldn't vote past my 20%.
Okay, so I'm a whimp (I admit it) and some of you will say get out of photography all together! That's not going to happen though ... |
Your not a wimp, everyone has there own tolerence level...just curious which challenge was it? |
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04/06/2005 12:05:53 PM · #44 |
Originally posted by woohoopepper:
Well, you all may have scared me off from voting on this challenge. If I come across "the photo" and it gives me nightmares, well ... |
Don't let this post scare you off from voting. That's not what all the discussion has been about. If the photo remains in the challenge, it deserves to be voted on.
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04/06/2005 12:14:17 PM · #45 |
Originally posted by Shannon:
Originally posted by woohoopepper:
Well, you all may have scared me off from voting on this challenge. If I come across "the photo" and it gives me nightmares, well ...
One other challenge made me queasy, and I couldn't vote past my 20%.
Okay, so I'm a whimp (I admit it) and some of you will say get out of photography all together! That's not going to happen though ... |
Your not a wimp, everyone has there own tolerence level...just curious which challenge was it? |
My money's on "pain"...
Robt.
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04/06/2005 12:50:23 PM · #46 |
| Yep Robert, it was pain (and I actually have a high tolerance to it myself) just not looking at others experiencing it and never, ever animals (I am not a PETA member, although I should be). |
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04/06/2005 12:57:58 PM · #47 |
I think I found the 'disturbing' photo... it looks like something from deviantart
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04/06/2005 01:04:08 PM · #48 |
Originally posted by nico_blue:
I think I found the 'disturbing' photo... it looks like something from deviantart |
Now maybe that's what we need - a deviantart challenge. Then maybe they'd stop submitting randomly, oblivious to the challenge theme.
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04/06/2005 01:11:06 PM · #49 |
Originally posted by nico_blue:
I think I found the 'disturbing' photo... it looks like something from deviantart |
I liked it, very creative...
Message edited by author 2005-04-06 13:11:22. |
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04/06/2005 01:16:36 PM · #50 |
If we have an option to "hide nude photos" why can't we have an option to "hide violent or gore photos". Just thinking that this discussion should be on the web site suggestions side.
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