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04/01/2005 09:45:30 AM · #1 |
ok. I am not unhappy with my score and I am not complaining. I just find it interesting how certain photo's can get voted a 1 when they really don't deserve a 1. For instance the top 2nd and 3rd bored photo's both had 1's which in my mind don't make sense. Even the 2's don't make sense...
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And my photo. I would like to hear from the one person who did give me a 1 his or her reasons...
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04/01/2005 09:51:53 AM · #2 |
This does come up on a regular basis. The real answer is, the scores follow a "normal" or "gaussian" statistical distribution ver closely. Some ones, and some tens, are expected for most shots.
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04/01/2005 09:58:58 AM · #3 |
One or two people out of 270 voters giving 1s does not seem out of the ordinary for a group as diverse as DPC no matter how good the picture.
Why is it that people are never "boggled" by the 10s?
Why don't people ever suggest there are evil 'anti-trolls' out there who surreptitiously go around giving images 10s?
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04/01/2005 10:03:40 AM · #4 |
Originally posted by stdavidson:
...Why don't people ever suggest there are evil 'anti-trolls' out there who surreptitiously go around giving images 10s?
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'cause the anti-trolls explode on contact with trolls, annihilating both, and the ones and tens they gave. ;-)
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04/01/2005 10:11:27 AM · #5 |
Originally posted by kirbic:
Originally posted by stdavidson:
...Why don't people ever suggest there are evil 'anti-trolls' out there who surreptitiously go around giving images 10s? |
'cause the anti-trolls explode on contact with trolls, annihilating both, and the ones and tens they gave. ;-) |
Ahhhhhh... That explains a lot of my challenge scores.
Message edited by author 2005-04-01 10:12:34.
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04/01/2005 10:52:50 AM · #6 |
I have only one thing to say about this matter. The only place to look for approval of your photo work in in the money you make from each photo. I learned a long time ago that taste is very subjective. I made a photo of a child and the mom said that it looked just like her, When she didn't buy that photo I asked why and she said because seeh is not smiling. So I quickly learned that it didn't matter how good I thought the photo was. If the customer didn't like it it wasn't worth the paper it was printed on.
As far as getting a good score here, there are way to many vairables. FIrst and most important, there are always different judges for each challange. Thereis NO WAY to produce an image that everyone will like. There are no standards. If it is important to you, go to //www.betterphoto.com At lease there the judges seem to have standards and there seems to be a judging panel. If you know who you are shooting for, you have a chance of getting a better score. This site does not appear to be built that way. I think this site is more about jsut ahving a fourm for photogrphers, and making money on the back end for prints. I would like to know who runs this site and what are there photographic credentials. |
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04/01/2005 10:58:44 AM · #7 |
Originally posted by stdavidson:
Why is it that people are never "boggled" by the 10s?
Why don't people ever suggest there are evil 'anti-trolls' out there who surreptitiously go around giving images 10s? |
But they ARE!
I have often wondered about the 10s on photos, too.
I know there is personal taste, and personal differences etc etc etc. But I used to think that in certain circumstances common sense would prevail and the range of voting would be narrowed down.
We all know that every challenge has a couple of very sad photos in it. They are tiny, grainy, blurry, no connection with the challenge etc, in other words, pretty much as bad as they can get?
So why do even those photos have a few 8s, 9s and 10s?
One or two came from friends. The rest are from those charming types that look at the photos which will NOT ribbon, and vote them highly.
That way, they have high scores on their record and won't be counted as trolls when they vote down the really GOOD photos in an effort to give their OWN photo a better chance.
Very sad, but I bet I'm right. |
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04/01/2005 11:00:48 AM · #8 |
Originally posted by gwphoto:
... I think this site is more about jsut ahving a fourm for photogrphers, and making money on the back end for prints. I would like to know who runs this site and what are there photographic credentials. |
See:
//www.dpchallenge.com/help_about.php |
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04/01/2005 11:01:05 AM · #9 |
But keep in mind that there are a significant number of us who have never made a penny from photography, and aren't interested in doing so. There are other sources of approval besides money and ribbons.
Originally posted by gwphoto:
I have only one thing to say about this matter. The only place to look for approval of your photo work in in the money you make from each photo. |
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04/01/2005 11:01:29 AM · #10 |
Originally posted by gwphoto:
I would like to know who runs this site and what are there photographic credentials. |
Why? As a group, WE are our own judges. The people running the site only need to keep the server online and enforce the rules. Why would photographic credentials affect those duties? |
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04/01/2005 11:07:49 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by gwphoto:
I would like to know who runs this site and what are there photographic credentials. |
Why? As a group, WE are our own judges. The people running the site only need to keep the server online and enforce the rules. Why would photographic credentials affect those duties? |
Well stated, thanks. |
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04/01/2005 11:11:21 AM · #12 |
Greg (gwphoto), there is nothing wrong with the site or the way it is run or with the vast majority of members.
I do believe there are a few rotten apples around, but I'm still here because all the wonderful people, the sharing, the advice, the learning, the friendship and the fun FAR outway anything bad.
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04/01/2005 11:11:47 AM · #13 |
You should be thankful you only received one "1"
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04/01/2005 11:22:04 AM · #14 |
Here's my professional critique on your photo of the guy leaning on his hand. It's an easy photo of a guy leaning on his hand. looking bored. There is no surroundings that may suggest why he's bored, such as in the photo of the guy sitting among empty chairs. That photo gave a very good reason and took much more effort to get. It doesn't look staged. Your's looks staged. They had to find a moment at a location and interprate it as boredom, then capture that in the photo. You probably just asked a friend to lean up against his hand and pose. There were a bunch of photos like that. The photos that scored highly in that challenge were unique or at least gave a reason for the boredom.
If the challenge was "Angry" there would be a bunch of photos of someone looking at the camera with a scowl on their face or a little kid pouting. Most of them would probably get low scores because they are easy and unoriginal. But, then there might be one like that that stands out from all the others because it's done uniquely and with a lot of care and thought, and it will score high.
Your photo met the challenge, and it was a nice photo, but ultimately, it lacked creativity, a soul if you will.
Try to put some soul in your photos and not meet the challenge so literally and you will do well. I can tell your photography skills are very good. |
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04/01/2005 11:26:31 AM · #15 |
Originally posted by Beetle:
Greg (gwphoto), there is nothing wrong with the site or the way it is run or with the vast majority of members.
I do believe there are a few rotten apples around, but I'm still here because all the wonderful people, the sharing, the advice, the learning, the friendship and the fun FAR outway anything bad. |
I agree. That wasn't my point. My point was that there is no sence in worring about you a photo didn't score well. That is all. |
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04/01/2005 11:36:11 AM · #16 |
Originally posted by gwphoto:
...The only place to look for approval of your photo work is in the money you make from each photo... |
I'm with you... money talks!
Originally posted by gwphoto:
...taste is very subjective... There is NO WAY to produce an image that everyone will like... There are no standards... go to //www.betterphoto.com At lease there the judges seem to have standards and there seems to be a judging panel. If you know who you are shooting for, you have a chance of getting a better score... |
I agree with much but not all of what you are saying. In a juried competition you always select existing or shoot new images to match the taste of the judging panel. You research previous winners and pick something that fits with that. Only an idiot would do otherwise.
But DPC is really the best kind of jury because of the great diversity and wide ranging experiences of the voters. They are a wonderful cross section of humanity from across the world. If you want to win here you research previous winners and pick something that fits with that. Only an idiot would do otherwise.
If the so-called 'expert' panels are so smart then why is it that many artists are not recognized as great until after they are dead?
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04/01/2005 11:48:01 AM · #17 |
Originally posted by Beetle:
Originally posted by stdavidson:
Why is it that people are never "boggled" by the 10s?
Why don't people ever suggest there are evil 'anti-trolls' out there who surreptitiously go around giving images 10s? |
...I used to think that in certain circumstances common sense would prevail and the range of voting would be narrowed down...
We all know that every challenge has a couple of very sad photos in it...So why do even those photos have a few 8s, 9s and 10s?...
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As kirbic rightly tried to point out above is that what you are seeing is a normal score distribution where there are some high scores and some low scores. Despite the conspiracy theorist's assertions there is no big mystery.
It is like a classroom of students taking a test. Most of the time there will be a few students with top scores and a few students with bottom scores that are mixed in with the majority somewhere in the middle.
Message edited by author 2005-04-01 11:57:13.
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