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03/28/2005 10:15:22 AM · #1 |
This may be silly, but I notice a frequent misuse of the word "cropped" in here. To "crop" a photo is to remove information that was in it to begin with, by drawing a smaller rectangle. When we make photos, our concern is with the "framing" of the image. That is to say, I "frame" the image in my viewfinder, and then later, after the fact, I may find cropping to be advantageous.
In lots of critiques, the critter says "I don't care for the cropping, too much of the subject is cut off", or whatever. This would be better expressed as "I don't care for the framing of this shot", as we have no way of knowing whether the image was, in fact, cropped. But the problem, I think, is people confuse "framing" with "border",,,
This probably isn't even worth pointing out. Ignore me...
Robt.
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03/28/2005 10:27:51 AM · #2 |
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03/28/2005 10:28:09 AM · #3 |
Robert - I noticed your post in another thread regarding the kids vote(thanks by the way), and your terminology was correct. The photo was not "cropped" at all, it was framed (composed) that way when taken.
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03/28/2005 10:28:30 AM · #4 |
| I think you make a valid and good point. There is a very distinctive difference in cropping and framing. One does not know if that is the picture is the actual "framed" picture or "cropped" picture unless they judge it by the ratio of your image. My camera takes a 1.33:1 ratio and if I submit a 1.00:1 or 1.25:1 picture then they know it is "cropped". But even with that said there are many cameras with many ratios so it would be very hard to tell unless it was way off the normal ratio ranges. |
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03/28/2005 10:33:55 AM · #5 |
I tend to use the word "cropped" loosely, in fact I probably mean cut off or missing in many cases, as you say it has to be in the original frame to be cropped.
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03/28/2005 10:39:17 AM · #6 |
Originally posted by peecee:
I tend to use the word "cropped" loosely, |
hmmmm...me too, but your right... |
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03/28/2005 11:03:48 AM · #7 |
I think the the words are used relatively interchangably by our diverse population ... using "composition" address the real issue.
At the sizes the files here end up, it's impossible to tell whether the photographer framed the photo initially or cropped it out of a larger scene -- but I'm not sure it should matter. If the photographer can extract the "proper composition" out of the scene at some point, I think theye've accomplished the major purpose. That it may take some study or contemplation to decide that is just the way it goes sometimes, and a part of the study it takes to eventually make more of those decisions at the time the shutter is clicked.
Whether someone says "cropping" or "framing" I just take it that they are commenting of the composition.
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03/28/2005 11:34:25 AM · #8 |
It̢۪s the final product in my mind. I'm use to shooting sports so my framing is usually pretty tight. Must admit with the size of the 20D file I do crop.......
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03/28/2005 11:41:17 AM · #9 |
To me, framing is the creation part, cropping an editing part. Since no shot we see here has been posted un-edited, to assume a it has been cropped is not unreasonable.
Looking up a definition does not help...crop=trim, Frame, well there are lots variations (a frame of film, a picture frame, etc) but the best for this discussion is "To arrange or adjust for a purpose"
For any given image then, it could be a poor attempt at framing or a bad crop or lack of cropping - so the best solution is to say it is poorly composed
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03/28/2005 11:56:12 AM · #10 |
I agree with your definition of cropping - to cut from the original image to create a stronger/ more desired final composition.
I don't agree that the word to describe what people are trying to express is framing - to me framing is specifically about using items in the foreground to frame the scene behind.
I'd say a combination of composition, viewpoint, distance from subject etc would better describe the idea that a person likes or dislikes what has been/ hasn't been included in the shot.
That's how I understand those terms, anyways...
Message edited by author 2005-03-28 11:56:35.
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03/28/2005 03:08:07 PM · #11 |
I'd agree with this part:
Originally posted by bear_music:
This may be silly... |
But since you brought it up, if you have no way of knowing whether the image was "framed" or "cropped", why is using "framing" more accurate or appropriate than "cropping"?
I think the photographer can easily get the intention of the critique either way. |
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